Re: Pellet Testing... AGAIN!
Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:45 am
Very true! I recommend you don't keep your pellets in your mouth, but I don't think you'll have a problem otherwise.
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I don't believe that, but supposing for a second that they do, think of the accuracy improvement from the "firelapping."hundert wrote:yeah, throw them away, the lead oxide is harder than lead and could scratch your bore.
rmca wrote:Yes I know, pellet testing for pistol is a waste of time...
But since I've given in and done it, here's my results for you to comment.
These are all ten shots groups, from my Steyr LP10 clamped in a vice.
First to establish a base line, I shot the RWS R10 Pistol, 7gr 4.49 Needless to say these gave me the smallest result of the four I´ve tested, although they cost about 10-11€ a tin around here!
The group is pretty similar to the H&N Finale Match Pistol 7.56gr 4.49 I´ve tested two years ago.
Second came the H&N Excite. These are entry level pellets, in 4.5 and didn't specify the weight (my guess is around 8gr) I was not excited about these ones ;)
I had pretty good experiences with top level H&N pellets in the past, so I had high hopes for these...
At least it gave me an excuse for all the shots I couldn't call properly (yeah, right, it's the pellets fault!)
Third in line was the RWS Club (orange tin) Better than the H&N Excite, but nothing to be proud of...
Finally came the RWS Diabolo Basic (green tin), in 4.5 and 7gr I've tested these a few times, just to be sure. I was getting afraid my gun had developed a taste for the finer pellets in live...
Huge relieve!
I know the group size is larger than the R10, but they cost about 1/3 so I can´t complain!
So, is this worth doing?
In my book, yes. But once every couple of years.
It gives you trust in your equipment and get's it out of your mind.
Also gives you a mental boost every time you use the pellets that performed better.
What is your opinion?
Sorry. Lead oxide is actually softer then lead metal. They most definitely won't scratch your bore.hundert wrote:yeah, throw them away, the lead oxide is harder than lead and could scratch your bore.
Might be extreme, but perhaps a single lot of pellets but store them in a container of nitrogen gas to eliminate oxidation? Certainly nothing that would matter to anyone normal, but it would arrest the lead changing from oxidation.AlexFromPardini wrote:
I test pellets everytime I am in competition in Germany so about 1-2 times per year. Now, I know I am an extreme since I am on the pistol team, but I find that the more you start testing pellets the more you give yourself an "out" for the problems. I personally only test to find a match lot for the coming competitions and then in training I use whatever I have laying around...my K12 shoots RWS R10 rifle 4.49 the best and I get great groups everytime. Well within the 10 ring. My match lot that I use is within the x ring.
However, recently I have decided to try something...I noticed my pistol likes a match lot for about 6-7 months. Then it starts opening up.. So i just got a batch from RWS that I will exclusively use for the coming months. I will set 2-3 times aside for big matches but everything else will be using the match lot. This way I can see whether the match lot changes as a result of the use of different pellet brands/sizes or if its just through use.
On that theory increasing the weight would always improve accuracy which is blatantly false. Each gun/shooter will have an optimum pellet weight probably on a bell curve.pbrejsa wrote:Reducing the weight of the shot always gets worse accuracy. Physics can not be circumvented.
Both RWS and H&N have decades of expertise in producing high quality pellets. I have no doubt that their new light weight "lead free" pellets can be just as accurate, depending on the gun and the optimum velocity selected for that particular pellet.pbrejsa wrote:Reducing the weight of the shot always gets worse accuracy. Physics can not be circumvented.
I'm pretty sure someone has posted a test of some of the "green" pellets, but that was a while ago. My recollection was that they are not adequate for serious competition. I did a quick search, but came up empty. Maybe someone else will have better search luck, or can remember who posted the tests.kevinweiho wrote:Both RWS and H&N have decades of expertise in producing high quality pellets. I have no doubt that their new light weight "lead free" pellets can be just as accurate, depending on the gun and the optimum velocity selected for that particular pellet.pbrejsa wrote:Reducing the weight of the shot always gets worse accuracy. Physics can not be circumvented.
Accuracy suffers at longer distances, within ten meters the difference is negligible.
The selling point of “green pellets” is that they are safe to handle and are eco friendly, there are no other advantages.rmca wrote:Have a look at what RWS says about their premium lead free pellets:"Outstanding accuracy for a lightweight tin pellet Shot groups of 7 mm are entirely possible " The "entirely possible" part doesn't fill me with confidence either...