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Hi guys,

I’m on a work binge for a while and want to optimize 20-40min of training while at home.

I’m looking at:

1) W2 Scatt system

2) Megalink system or similar but shooting lead free pellets through p8x and/or p85.

I live in a studio apartment and have 15m clearance. If I go the Megalink or similar route I would want to drop more $$ on some kind of canvas backdrop or similar to catch things I miss—my brother said it would be another $400

I currently have a Mantis X that I’ve found incredibly valuable working on my shot process via tracings, for Bullseye. The thing I like about Scatt is the scoring via video camera so I can change up training besides breaking down and working on weaknesses

Shooting lead is a no go for me as it’s next to my kitchen so I wonder if a megalink would be wasted due to the type of pellet used

Current regimen is a lot of intentional fire and getting familiar with my new air pistol triggers

What’re your guys thoughts on the best way for training at home?

I shoot on paper targets and have a MantisX. I looked into electronic targets … I can buy a pretty decent number of paper targets and pellets for the price of one, so I keep shooting the classical way.

Dry firing with a SCATT will tell you far more than you ever wanted to know about your shooting. If you are on a budget, you could start with a Mantis.

Gwhite wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2024 8:04 am Dry firing with a SCATT will tell you far more than you ever wanted to know about your shooting. If you are on a budget, you could start with a Mantis.

Do you think it’s better than having a MegaLink with Lead free pellets?

Yes. It's cheaper, and it shows you HOW a shot ended up where it did. All the Megalink can show you is where it arrived. I've also heard bad things about the accuracy of lead-free pellets, in which case you are likely to just confuse yourself.

https://targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=67687

I tried to find a decent accuracy test, but almost everything I found was for rifles. The light weight and harder material means higher velocity, and possible wear on the pellet trap. There are also reports from rifle shooters that their accuracy degrades over time, possibly from barrel wear. This is all mostly anecdotal, so if should be taken with a large gain of salt.

If you must put holes in paper, there are pellet traps that minimize lead issues. Do a search on "duct seal".

Since you are shooting in your home I assume 10M air pistol. Is there really an issue with lead contamination when shooting an air pistol? That’s a question for the general audience. I would not be concerned myself. If it was a powder burner with a primer I would be more concerned.

The biggest issue with pellets is the trap. Anything with a hard plate can create lead dust. There are traps you can make that avoid this.

Many of my air pistols have a grey deposit around the muzzle. I assume this is from a microscopic amount of lead vapor that comes off the pellets when they get shoved down the barrel at 150 meters/second.

The primary path for lead poisoning is ingestion. Any time I shoot, I wash my hands before I eat anything. I've have been tested for lead multiple times over the years, and have never had a seriously high lead level.

IMHO, the danger of lead poisoning is vastly overblown. I have been exposed to lead starting as a child, when I cut up lead bricks with a cold chisel so my father could melt it down for casting bullets. This clearly caused irreparable brain damage, which allowed me to get four degrees from a technical university. As a shooter in college, we dug pulverized lead out of the bullet trap at our range with our bare hands, with NO protective equipment. We were told to blow our noses & wash our hands before we did anything else. Tests afterward showed no elevated lead levels in any of the students. I've been a major participant in cleaning tons of lead out of ranges a couple times, including melting it out of traps with torches. For that work (being older & wiser), I had full protective gear.

If you listen to the nervous nellies out there, I should be dead 16 times over from acute lead poisoning. Last I checked, I'm doing just fine.

I admit I am not adding any scientific rigour to the discussion but I just wanted to add that I have shot a significant number of lead-free pellets (H&N Green Match, I think they are called) through my Steyr LP 50. Steyr has told me they are fine to shoot, but also mentioned that they may not be as accurate. I have not had any problems with the accuracy; after more than 50 kiloshots I believe I would have noticed if they ended up in unexpected places.

I shoot lead at the range because that is what is available. However, the accuracy of the pellets is excellent (in my pistol) so I prefer the reduced lead exposure, especially since I shoot indoors.

Dry fire and holds: no lead, no extra equipment , and free :)

I'm new to 10m pistol.
8 weeks in and 515 is my current PB, I'm okay with that as only been 8 weeks and want to get to 560 ASAP. I'm shooting a steyr evo 10, but that not important.

I've been told to dry fire and hold, is what I need to do.
I've also been told dry fire on a blank target, practice sight alignment and hold, also repeated above.
Also heard from an olympic athlete, that it should all be automatic, don't think, like a robot going through the motions. But if I'm off target or sightes aren't perfect, then should it be automatic?
Also if I do do automatic then the whole cycle is:
Breath in via nose and out - 5 to 6 secs.
Breath in again and lift pistol-3 secs
Breath out slowly while lowering pistol -3 secs. Also align sites.
Pistol sights in target area, breathing naturally stops, start automatic trigger motion - 5 sec squeeze, pellet released, around this time, sometimes a surprise.
Hold for 5 secs, then lower.
Rest then start again.
Whole cycle is about 20 secs.
When I watch the olympic final, admittedly bit different to my home, they hold the target for 20-30 secs, any ideas what to practice, or keep with the program above.

Sorry to highjack this thread but same subject area, so thought I'd post, have a great week everyone

Focus on the time while you are holding on your aiming area. Go for roughly 5 to 9 seconds.

You can't copy what some elite athletes with years of hardcore training can do. Don't worry about it, but keep in watching and analyzing. They usually do more breaths ,but they are hard to notice.

For the holds and other training plans: https://www.olympicpistol.com/pistol-tr ... ans-lists/

I use accurize target for my air pistol. It's similar to scatt, but lighter and the laser slides into the barrel and attaches via a magnet. It's a tidy setup.

You need to buy the laser module for your gun separately. I got mine on eBay. Targets are interchangeable. It connects to a tablet or your phone and saves reports of your progress, which includes heatmaps and score averaging. Separate targets are available for most shooting disciplines too.

The targets are scaled down so you can get the same aspect ratio in a smaller space i.e. I shoot 10m ISSF indoor, and I can use their target at 5m. It works very well. No lead, no wasted compressed air, just dry fire.

Checkout this link
https://www.accurizetarget.com/

I watched the Accurize video, and I didn't see anything that suggests that they provide feedback on HOW your shot ended up where it did. A Scatt provides details of the trajectory and timing leading up to the shot, as well as follow through. The Mantis system provides more feedback that the Accurize appears to, and it is nothing like the amount of detailed info you get from a Scatt.

The accurize helps me build consistency in an affordable, light weight solution.

I investigated the scatt and wasn't keen on it's weight, price & how it attached to the pistol.

Each to their own and it's good to have choices. For me it works, and does so for many others

Way wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:06 pm The accurize helps me build consistency in an affordable, light weight solution.

I investigated the scatt and wasn't keen on it's weight, price & how it attached to the pistol.

Each to their own and it's good to have choices. For me it works, and does so for many others

Hello, what type/model air pistol do you have? Thanks