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Hey guys, new shooter here. I’ve recently purchased my air pistol and have been heavily researching dry fire trainers for indoor practice. Initially, the Scatt system seemed to be the ideal version, but it’s been extremely difficult to find one of these systems available to purchase in the US.

My question is: given any experience you may have with MantisX, Accurize or Trace, what would be the best combination of products to provide accuracy scoring and real time feedback?

Thank you guys for your time and I genuinely appreciate any guidance. I’ve searched the history on here, but found very little detailed breakdowns on this. Thanks again!

Go with Scatt, it is the original and the best. The Basic model is just fine for new to intermediate users.

You can buy one here-

https://scattusa.com/

I have a Mantis and a Scatt. If you can afford it, the Scatt is worth the difference in price IMO.

I admit I haven't spent a lot of time with the Mantis, but it seems like it only provides a visual trace and score. I couldn't get it to change the scale so my traces looked pretty small on the screen. You could see the difference between a good shot and a really bad shot, but more subtle differences were not obvious. If money is tight the Mantis will make dry firing more fun and provide some more info.

Scatt gives you numerical stats that are easier to track and compare, the ability to customize the results, to a certain extent and scales the image to you traces which make it much better visually.

I got a Mantis in the hopes that it could provide enough feedback to be useful for the college students I help coach. It can point out gross errors, but it's really not comparable to a SCATT. It's best for self defense shooters with heavy trigger pulls trying to hit big targets in a hurry, not precision shooting.

I am primarily an NRA Precision Pistol shooter, but I also train with 10 meter AP in my garage to improve my slow fire skills. I recently bought a Mantis X10 Elite and I like it a lot. I believe it provides MUCH less statistical data than does the SCATT. However, it does provide several things I find useful.

First, it's fun and motivates me to shoot every day. That's a good thing in my book.

Secondly, it provides some degree of objective metrics on my performance versus using nothing but my eye and a blank wall. Does it rival the SCATT? Well, although I've not used the SCATT, everything I've read tells me SCATT offers an overwhelming amount of data with which to analyze one's performance. I have also read that many shooters will require an experienced coach to help analyze SCATT's data to improve their performance. I don't doubt that.

Comparing prices of SCATT versus Mantis, I believe Mantis wins, but at the cost of really incredible metrics.

Lastly, I also train for defensive pistol use, and MANTIS is much more useful for that.

FWIW,

Dennis, aka Dulcmrman

I find that the Mantis is excellent for triggering feedback in dryfire. It very quickly and obviously displays a "score" which is a measure of how much you deflected the POA. 95 or better (the "Great shot" indicator) tells me I'm ok. It can take quite a bit of concentration to keep it there, even when I might have thought otherwise. Worth it, in my opinion.

P.S. I also have a Scatt, which is way better but fussy as heck to set up. Every damn time.

P.P.S. I glued a magnet to the Mantis. Slap it on somewhere, start the app, done.

Thank you guys, this is great info!

I have had various versions of SCATT devices for two decades but only ever tried a mantis from colleagues. I feel the mantis is a bit like the fitbit of target shooting. It gives you some feedback to maybe keep you motivated but no deep information. While the SCATT is an analysis tool.

I don't want to derail the thread, but do you have issues with the Mantis triggering on shots? It's been a while since I've made a concerted effort to get it to work, but it always seemed hit-or-miss, maybe picking up 50% of shots at best (when firing a pellet, when dry firing it was worse).

Any tricks you can offer?

marky-d

I shoot both Air Pistol and Free Pistol. I am only looking for the 'trace' of my pistol as I bring it into the aiming area and during my hold. I understand that the Scatt is a very good system but the Mantis X2 or Mantis X3 seem like they might be all I am looking for. Comments?

Yes, that's what the Mantis will give you.

marky-d

I'm not convinced the Mantis has the sensitivity to really track your hold if you are shooting precision events well. It's intended for defense/combat shooters who think hitting a 6 inch area on a silhouette target at 20 feet is "marksmanship". It should show you gross errors from poor triggering or anticipation, but once you get past that level of shooting, you may find it lacking. I tried one a few years ago for air pistol as a possible inexpensive alternative to a Scatt for the college team I help coach. Both I and the students that tried both really felt the extra info you get from a Scatt is worth the investment.

Thank you for that information. I appreciate your responses.

I have Mantis X2 and Scatt WS1. I tried them both together on Steyr EVO 10E and I can confirm, that in terms of sensitivity, there is almost no differece. But Scatt gives you more info obviously...

I would say that Mantis X2 is good for dry fire training (on air guns you can use it even for live fire) when you don't want or can't use Scatt.

Thank you Arctzurus. I believe that is what I am looking for.

my question is:
you see the squiggly line, you may be able to say if it's right or not,
but how do you correct "wrong" lines?
i;m very unclear on the path from "bad traces" to fixing that problem...

If the squiggly line is all over the place all the time, you need to work on holding exercises to reduce your arc of motion. The SCATT gives you some statistics, time in 10 ring for example, that you can track to see your progress.

If you hold is fairly good but in the last 1/2 second it moves quickly then you need to work on your trigger pull. You are doing something to the gun as you pull the trigger.

If the last bit of time before the shot and the time after the shot are a continuous downward direction, you are not following through and relaxing as you pull the trigger.

As you get better and the biggest errors are corrected the statistical reporting can track your progress and to correlate your performance with other factors, such as sleep, food, time of day etc. to optimize your match routine.

Azmodan wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2024 2:33 am my question is:
you see the squiggly line, you may be able to say if it's right or not,
but how do you correct "wrong" lines?
i;m very unclear on the path from "bad traces" to fixing that problem...

Here is one guide.....

http://www.coachexcellence.net/wp-conte ... -SCATT.pdf

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