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Zins grip

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:27 pm
by seamaster
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=zi ... &FORM=VIRE

Would you consider reshape your anatomic pistol grip to accommodate this Zins grip?

Re: Zins grip

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:01 am
by william
Dottor Morini has NEVER been shy about innovation. If he had seen any advantage he certainly would have incorporated Zins's ideas. My money's on Cesare.

Re: Zins grip

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:13 pm
by Gwhite
Ordinarily, I would agree. I have a Morini free pistol and a Morini air pistol, and the grips are great.

However, I recently bought two MatchGun MG2's (one for me and one for my wife), and I really don't like the grips. Given that it's Cesare Morini's new company, I assume he has had a say in how the grips are shaped.

My wife has small hands, and even the "Ladies/Junior" grip is too large, but in an odd way. The back extended almost a full centimeter back past the break in her wrist, and I had to take a bandsaw to it. It still needs some carving, but at least now she can shoot it without pain...

On mine, it needed (and still needs) some whittling, but the lower back is at such an angle that I can't get my hand "behind" the pistol the way I am used to. Although the recoil is minimal on the MG2, it feels like it wants to slide backwards & twist with every shot. I bought a Rink grip for it, and that is much more to my liking.

I took Zin's clinic many years ago, and his grip approach works fine if you have a 1911 or something with a similar shape. Most "orthopedic" (shouldn't it be "orthomanic"?) grips don't lend themselves to his technique. The latest Morini grips on the MatchGuns would make it impossible to use Zins grip. The part of the grip you need to nestle into the groove at the base of the thumb is a large concave surface, and never the twain shall meet...

Re: Zins grip

Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:34 pm
by SeanM
seamaster wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:27 pmWould you consider reshape your anatomic pistol grip to accommodate this Zins grip?
Only if my NPA had my arm angle in a position where it was necessary, or if I shot cross-eyed, or if my neck wasn't flexible enough to bring my face in line with the gun.

This problem has a different solution with every shooter. Maybe it applies to you, maybe it doesn't. Maybe you need a large angle adjustment, maybe you only need 1 or 2 degrees.

But if you find that this DOES apply to you, then yes, building up the side of the grip to kick your hand out at an angle is a good idea. This grip was posted here eight years ago showing this idea:
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo29 ... 1332495360
http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo29 ... 1332495327

Here's another good example, pretty sure this guy knows what he's doing when it comes to Olympic pistol shooting ;)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 116%29.jpg

Rink also will sell a grip to you with a built-in 7 degree angle, which might give you a head start:
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Re: Zins grip

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:21 am
by Azmodan
this problem is especially valid if you are cross dominant eye, like me.
Rink grips with the 7 degree option will do exactly this: the grips stays natural in your hand but the barrel is twisted to align with the eye.
made a video about them too: https://youtu.be/LuSNlBwsqL0

also, there are guns, like Feinwerkbau P8X, that allow the twist of the grip (3-4 degrees) so you can align the barrel with your eye.

Re: Zins grip

Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:22 am
by Gwhite
Another thing about Zins's video. If you look at his stance, he's about 45 degrees to the target. That offsets the eye much more from the hand than the current fad of an "in-line" stance. Basically, the amount of offset you need to align the pistol will also depend on your stance.