Supported Air Pistol

[Jon Math]

From what I have read this is a very popular and fast growing shooting sport in Germany. I understand England is also working out rules and standards for it now. As a member of the older generation I’d really enjoy an event that I could be competitive in once again. Is this being shot anywhere in the US now, or are their plans for it in the near future?

Thanks

Jon

[Ed333]

From what I have read this is a very popular and fast growing shooting sport in Germany. I understand England is also working out rules and standards for it now. As a member of the older generation I’d really enjoy an event that I could be competitive in once again. Is this being shot anywhere in the US now, or are their plans for it in the near future?

Thanks

Jon

What is the nature of the support, and what distance are they shooting?

[Jon Math]

From what I have read this is a very popular and fast growing shooting sport in Germany. I understand England is also working out rules and standards for it now. As a member of the older generation I’d really enjoy an event that I could be competitive in once again. Is this being shot anywhere in the US now, or are their plans for it in the near future?

Thanks

Jon

What is the nature of the support, and what distance are they shooting?

The Germans have three classes based on age. Shooters from 50 to 72 are split into two groups and shoot standing, over 72 they can sit on a stool. All shooting is from the standard AP range of 10 meters. The support is a stand similar to an air rifle stand. It is topped with a round tube arraigned horizontal to the ground onto which the shooter rests just the base of the pistol’s grip on. Rink sells a modified grip with a wedge on the base of the grip to keep the bore of the pistol level when it’s on the rest tube. The point of contact is pretty small.
As I understand it the rest takes the weight of the pistol, but sighting, breath control, trigger release etc is basically unchanged for normal shooting.

[Ed333]

From what I have read this is a very popular and fast growing shooting sport in Germany. I understand England is also working out rules and standards for it now. As a member of the older generation I’d really enjoy an event that I could be competitive in once again. Is this being shot anywhere in the US now, or are their plans for it in the near future?

Thanks

Jon

What is the nature of the support, and what distance are they shooting?

The Germans have three classes based on age. Shooters from 50 to 72 are split into two groups and shoot standing, over 72 they can sit on a stool. All shooting is from the standard AP range of 10 meters. The support is a stand similar to an air rifle stand. It is topped with a round tube arraigned horizontal to the ground onto which the shooter rests just the base of the pistol’s grip on. Rink sells a modified grip with a wedge on the base of the grip to keep the bore of the pistol level when it’s on the rest tube. The point of contact is pretty small.
As I understand it the rest takes the weight of the pistol, but sighting, breath control, trigger release etc is basically unchanged for normal shooting.

What I could really go for at 77 is benchrest air rifle; my old FWB 602 SPP takes it out of me. Pistol, not really.

[Jon Math]

What is the nature of the support, and what distance are they shooting?[/quote]
The Germans have three classes based on age. Shooters from 50 to 72 are split into two groups and shoot standing, over 72 they can sit on a stool. All shooting is from the standard AP range of 10 meters. The support is a stand similar to an air rifle stand. It is topped with a round tube arraigned horizontal to the ground onto which the shooter rests just the base of the pistol’s grip on. Rink sells a modified grip with a wedge on the base of the grip to keep the bore of the pistol level when it’s on the rest tube. The point of contact is pretty small.
As I understand it the rest takes the weight of the pistol, but sighting, breath control, trigger release etc is basically unchanged for normal shooting.[/quote]
What I could really go for at 77 is benchrest air rifle; my old FWB 602 SPP takes it out of me. Pistol, not really.[/quote]
I believe the supported AP was derived from the older supported air rifle sport, again in Germany. The PPC style guns are easier than cranking on the charging lever of a SSP for sure.

[Jon Math]

http://www.issf-sports.org/getfile.aspx ... n_2016.pdf

Some more info with photos of rests for both rifle and pistol events.

[Ed333]

http://www.issf-sports.org/getfile.aspx ... n_2016.pdf

Some more info with photos of rests for both rifle and pistol events.

Thanks for that info, my club is building an indoor 10M airgun range addition to the clubhouse, I will bring this to their attention. Basically, with either pistol or rifle, it is the weight of the gun which is supported, no other support. With rifle, I would be interested in true benchrest shooting, and I could see making the targets smaller. Or maybe shoot the standard 10m air rifle target at 50 feet, or 50 meters. There are local indoor ranges for rimfire competition at 50 feet, for 50 meters I would think have to go outside. Unless we could find a big barn or warehouse building. :)
I may cook something up just for informal intra-club competition.

[hundert]

called " Auflageschiessen " in German. For air pistol search for " Auflageschiessen Luftpistole "

[DFWdude]

Does anyone know if USA Shooting has heard of this ISSF game, or if it has already adopted it in some way? Considering it?

[j-team]

Does anyone know if USA Shooting has heard of this ISSF game, or if it has already adopted it in some way? Considering it?

it's not an ISSF "game". just another one of those events made up by people who can't win the normal way!

[Gwhite]

USA Shooting has a junior program called "Progressive Position Air Pistol". They use a counter weight system so that there is no added stability provided by the rest. It only provides vertical lift to help with the weight of the pistol There is no reason why it couldn't be adapted to old timers:



Instructions for making the counterweight systems are here:

Original "Tee" stand: http://www.usashooting.org/library/Yout ... _Stand.pdf

Improved "L" stand: http://www.usashooting.org/library/Yout ... lans_2.pdf

[DFWdude]

Does anyone know if USA Shooting has heard of this ISSF game, or if it has already adopted it in some way? Considering it?

it's not an ISSF "game". just another one of those events made up by people who can't win the normal way!

Perhaps you might want to open the pdf file that Jon Math posted to learn that this is -- indeed -- an ISSF sanctioned game for shooters 56 and older.

[Ed333]

I am remembering that the evolution of F Class shooting within High Power rifle competition had a somewhat similar history. F Class is named for a Mr. Farqhuarson (sp?) , in Canada, who was suffering the slings and arrows of advancing age, and was no longer able to assume and hold some of the firing positions called for by across the course high power rules, but he wanted to keep shooting. He suggested and successfully lobbied for a modified event, prone, scopes, front rest, rear bags,...sometimes called 'benchrest on your belly'....this has resulted in the development of some pretty amazing accuracy at mid and long range F class rifle matches.

[j-team]

Does anyone know if USA Shooting has heard of this ISSF game, or if it has already adopted it in some way? Considering it?

it's not an ISSF "game". just another one of those events made up by people who can't win the normal way!

Well,well, didn't see that. I still don't think that they are really serious about it.

By the way, the guy at the bottom of page 3 is so good he can shoot a rifle with no sights!

[Jon Math]

called " Auflageschiessen " in German. For air pistol search for " Auflageschiessen Luftpistole "

Thank you, very much!

[DFWdude]

Several pistol grip rest options at this page. http://www.schiesssport-buinger.de/shoo ... air-pistol

Insane prices, as usual.

[Jon Math]

Several pistol grip rest options at this page. http://www.schiesssport-buinger.de/shoo ... air-pistol

Insane prices, as usual.

Thanks!

I did a search using the German words for the event posted earlier in the thread and was very surprised to see the amount of equipment that is being offered, especially the different stands and rests. None of it is inexpensive, and in spite of the costs by all accounts it is a very fast growing type of shooting. As an older person I’d really like to see this flourish outside of Germany.

[Jon Math]

USA Shooting has a junior program called "Progressive Position Air Pistol". They use a counter weight system so that there is no added stability provided by the rest. It only provides vertical lift to help with the weight of the pistol There is no reason why it couldn't be adapted to old timers:



Instructions for making the counterweight systems are here:

Original "Tee" stand: http://www.usashooting.org/library/Yout ... _Stand.pdf

Improved "L" stand: http://www.usashooting.org/library/Yout ... lans_2.pdf

I agree it could be used just as easily by an older or handicapped shooter. I would prefer to see USA shooting adopt the same standard the rest of the world does however (if they do anything) ; it would be nice to know how your scores stand up Worldwide on an equal footing-or support as it were.

[DFWdude]

I have written to USA Shooting about this ISSF program. I emphasized that this program for seniors would be a great complement to the existing "Progressive Position Air Pistol" program for juniors. If I get an answer, I will report back.

But it doesn't prevent others (YOU) making their desires known as well. The more people who ask, the better our chances to ilicit a response. Just log onto the USA Shooting site and click on the "Contact Us" tab and leave your thoughts.

[Jon Math]

Thank you I will do that.