Standard Pistol CoF questions

[jenrick]

So I'll be shooting my first Standard Pistol match this weekend. I found the course of fire to practice, I just wanted to make sure I'm doing it correctly.
On the 5 rounds in 150 seconds. I'm assuming I can lower the pistol between each shot fired if I so choose, or do I have to keep it up and pointed at the target once I start?

Also what are considered good scores? To be considered a solid shooter in the event are we talking 540+, 560+, or even higher?

Shooting the course of fire this afternoon was a lot of fun, and we're going to start using a modified version (shot with center fire duty pistols at about half the distance) in our cadet training at work. I can see why this is a popular event to shoot.

-Jenrick

[deadeyedick]

You can raise and lower the pistol in the 150 second series.

540-560 is regarded as a good score, above 560 is great.

Have fun.

[JamesH]

You can lower the pistol and rest it on the bench if you so desire.

150s isn't actually that long for five shots, I prefer to shoot one or two doubles.

[David Levene]

Also remember that, for the 150 second series, you don't have to start from the 45 degree ready position. You can raise the pistol before the targets face.

It will not gain you much, but it'll show which of the range staff don't know the rules ;-)

[jenrick]

I can keep my arm up the whole time, but I find that I get betters hits if I lower between each shoot. I think I'm a little more consistent with everything if I start from the spot each time (lowered).

David: Haha, I may have to try that at some point. I think for now though I'll settle for simply fitting in.

-Jenrick

[Rover]

You can lower the pistol and rest it on the bench if you so desire.

150s isn't actually that long for five shots, I prefer to shoot one or two doubles.

I do this myself and think it's a good idea.

[David M]

Believe it or not, but 20 sec is the hard part of Standard pistol.
150's is just precision shooting.
10's is a slow rapidfire 8's run on a single breath with time for a steady hold for the firrst shot.
But how do you shoot 20's. It is too long for one breath, you run out of grunt.
So do you lift fire two, breath, fire three or what ?
Most shooters shoot 20's in about 12-14 sec (one breath) and shoot 10's in 7-8 sec (panic).
Standard is a trigger control match, squeeze, bang, recover, squeeze etc.
Some love it, some hate it, others love to hate it.

A good Standard score break-up is 195/190, 190/185, 185/180 = 570 to 555

[deadeyedick]

A good Standard score break-up is 195/190, 190/185, 185/180 = 570 to 555

If 555-570 is good what is excellent?

[David Levene]

A good Standard score break-up is 195/190, 190/185, 185/180 = 570 to 555

If 555-570 is good what is excellent?

It really depends on what level of competition you're talking about

Standards in Standard Pistol have dropped a bit since I was shooting 25-30 years ago but, even now, I wouldn't call a sub-560 good.

Back then, 565-570 was acceptable, 570-575 was good and 575+ was excellent.

[deadeyedick]

I was thinking more of Club level scores.

I believe the World record is still held by an American Erich Buljing who scored 584 in August 1984 using ( I believe ) a Hammerli 208.

It makes the weekend Club shooter feel downright inadequate doesn't it.

[Rover]

Well then, just come to the Desert Midwinter and commiserate with the other losers.

[David Levene]

I believe the World record is still held by an American Erich Buljing who scored 584 in August 1984 using ( I believe ) a Hammerli 208.

It's a good record and it's an old record but, IMHO, it's not a great record.

Most shooters only get one opportunity every 2 years to break it. Compare that with the multiple opportunities every year in the Olympic events.

That's why Melentiev's 581 Free Pistol record from 1980 was such a great record until it was beaten by Jongoh Jin's 583 in 2014.

[renzo]

I believe the World record is still held by an American Erich Buljing who scored 584 in August 1984 using ( I believe ) a Hammerli 208.

It's a good record and it's an old record but, IMHO, it's not a great record.

Most shooters only get one opportunity every 2 years to break it. Compare that with the multiple opportunities every year in the Olympic events.

That's why Melentiev's 581 Free Pistol record from 1980 was such a great record until it was beaten by Jongoh Jin's 583 in 2014.

And it still stands as OR, it was beaten as a WR!!!!

[deadeyedick]

And it still stands as OR, it was beaten as a WR!!!!

More information required. Could you supply Who..When..Where ..and score shot.

I believe the current Australian SP record is held by Bruc Quick at 580, shot around 1998.

[Spencer]

And it still stands as OR, it was beaten as a WR!!!!

More information required. Could you supply Who..When..Where ..and score shot.

I believe the current Australian SP record is held by Bruc Quick at 580, shot around 1998.

WR USA 584 BULJUNG, Erich 20.08.1983 PAG Caracas (VEN)

[deadeyedick]

WR USA 584 BULJUNG, Erich 20.08.1983 PAG Caracas (VEN)

I obtained the same information from Wikipedia, however incorrectly put 1984 instead of 1983.

Unless I missed something, the 584 was not shot at the Olympics, so is not an OR nor has it been improved on as a WR.

I remember seeing a picture of Erich Buljung using what looked like a Hammerli 208/208s using the optional extra heavy factory weight.

Tremendous effort by Buljung and a not too shabby effort from Australia's Bruce Quick having shot 580.

For a comparative reference the first three scores at the 2015 Australian National ISSF Championship were.

1. 567
2. 557
3. 556

[j-team]

I believe the current Australian SP record is held by Bruc Quick at 580, shot around 1998.

Phil Adams shot 585 in New Zealand (Nationals) 1989. Shame that didn't count as Australian record!

[deadeyedick]

Phil Adams shot 585 in New Zealand (Nationals) 1989. Shame that didn't count as Australian record!

Unbelievable !

Surely a score shot at a National Championship would be given International recognition by the ISSF.

[Spencer]

Surely a score shot at a National Championship would be given International recognition by the ISSF.

3.9.1 World Records may be established in all recognized ISSF men's, women's, and juniors' events in Olympic Games, World Championships, World Cups, World Cup Finals, Continental Championships and Continental Games that have been conducted according to the ISSF Rules and Regulations.

do not assume that all National Championships are as big, or as well run as our (AUS) competition.

[shaky hands]

Unless I missed something, the 584 was not shot at the Olympics, so is not an OR nor has it been improved on as a WR.

Renzo was referring to the free pistol Olympic record (581), not the Standard pistol World record (584), though admittedly this was not very clear from his post.