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How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:17 am
by seamaster
http://www.kruger-us-targets.com/index. ... -3039.html

Shoot with sub-6 hold ? Center hold?

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 2:43 am
by PDX_AIR
I've been wondering the same thing. Hopefully somebody gives the answer.

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:40 am
by yana
Its not about hold. They all have different purpose.
- the vertical stripe: learning to lower yr gun straight. From top to bottom. Doesnt matter where shot falls, may be anywhere in black stripe. Good for zero check and vertical straying problems.
- the ball without numbers is to get yr focus away from scores.
- the triangles have similar function to the vertical stripe. With point downwards, lower exactly over the point of the triangle.
- horizontal stripe: learn to lower pistol and keep yr sights (rear) perfectly aligned
There are more training targets: with 2 balls, 1 white, 1 black. To learn to cope with natural movement, blanc target, to focus on technique only, the 3/4 stripes have similar function to the full length one's

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 5:06 am
by kevinweiho
A bit off topic, how many of you use replacement bulls to paste onto used targets instead of discarding them after five or more shots? I could keep stacking them up until the center area has no more support.

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:48 pm
by jenrick
I use replacement centers for free pistol rather then the whole target. If it's off the center it's at least a 5 or worse, so why bother scoring it? I just call it a zero and move on.

-Jenrick

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:22 am
by kevinweiho
jenrick wrote:I use replacement centers for free pistol rather then the whole target. If it's off the center it's at least a 5 or worse, so why bother scoring it? I just call it a zero and move on.

-Jenrick
I used to patch up the holes with black round stickers. I finally gave up on free pistol since the drive to the range was far away, and I regret to this day selling my Vostok 55-1.

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 9:16 am
by Gwhite
kevinweiho wrote:A bit off topic, how many of you use replacement bulls to paste onto used targets instead of discarding them after five or more shots? I could keep stacking them up until the center area has no more support.
The MIT collegiate team cuts up 5-bull strips to make centers, and then installs them in old full targets by cutting a couple diagonal slits for opposite corners of the center. Saves quite a bit of money on buying full targets.

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:02 am
by kevinweiho
Gwhite wrote:
kevinweiho wrote:A bit off topic, how many of you use replacement bulls to paste onto used targets instead of discarding them after five or more shots? I could keep stacking them up until the center area has no more support.
The MIT collegiate team cuts up 5-bull strips to make centers, and then installs them in old full targets by cutting a couple diagonal slits for opposite corners of the center. Saves quite a bit of money on buying full targets.
Did you see center bulls that are precut (like postage stamps) and are sold in bulk? The ones I am using have 1.000 center bulls. They only need to be ripped out, glued to the used targets, and they cut a clean hole when a wadcutter pellet hits the bull.

They sure save quite a bit of money and I don't have to dump a whole lot of targets in the garbage. I searched the internet, but have been unable to find these precut center bulls for 10 meter airpistol. I had purchased 10.000 of them from my extinct shooting club.

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:19 pm
by Gwhite
kevinweiho wrote:
Gwhite wrote:
kevinweiho wrote:A bit off topic, how many of you use replacement bulls to paste onto used targets instead of discarding them after five or more shots? I could keep stacking them up until the center area has no more support.
The MIT collegiate team cuts up 5-bull strips to make centers, and then installs them in old full targets by cutting a couple diagonal slits for opposite corners of the center. Saves quite a bit of money on buying full targets.
Did you see center bulls that are precut (like postage stamps) and are sold in bulk? The ones I am using have 1.000 center bulls. They only need to be ripped out, glued to the used targets, and they cut a clean hole when a wadcutter pellet hits the bull.

They sure save quite a bit of money and I don't have to dump a whole lot of targets in the garbage. I searched the internet, but have been unable to find these precut center bulls for 10 meter airpistol. I had purchased 10.000 of them from my extinct shooting club.
I've never seen the stick-on centers like you describe.

We used to be able to get the 5 bull strips from Edelmann through Pilkguns, but they were discontinued. I ended up ordering them directly from Kruger in Germany (No. 3015). 1000 strips is 38.15 Euros, which is ~ $42 US. That works out to less than a penny a center. We ordered 5000, but that was probably overkill, and made the box so heavy it burst in shipping. I wouldn't order more than 3000 at a time.

There is a print shop at MIT that has a super paper cutter, and they can cut thick stacks at once into individual centers for very little money. I think the most we might pay when the dust settles is about 2 cents a piece.

We don't bother with glue, we just slit the full sized target. Two diagonal slits out in the ~ 5 ring on opposite corners (~ 1:30 & 7:30, for example) can hold two corners of the centers. If you want to get fancy, you can even cut the target so you can use the full strips:
5-Bull Target Setup.jpg
Cutting Guide for 5-Bull Air Pistol Strips.jpg

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:12 am
by kevinweiho
Thanks for the pics. The only problem I see with this setup is if the shots are strayed, they will affect the bulls on the left or right side.

Re: How do you use those training targets?

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:19 am
by Gwhite
There are the occasional issues, but these are intended for shooters who can keep the vast majority of their shots in the black. For the beginners, we use cut up cheap 4 bull targets. The paper isn't as good & tends to tear, but the students are more concerned with grouping & learning the fundamentals than scores at that stage.