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Dear shooting friends,

here comes the link to the official internet site from the 37. European shooting championship 2013 in Osijek, Croatia, with news, results, a gallery and so on.

http://www.ech2013.com/


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and 'The Man' Sergei is also back. He finished the Prone Match with the bronze medal after shooting two outstanding results of 627.6 and 627.2 in the elimination and qualification, only beaten in the finale from German and France top shooters Henri Junghaenel and Valerian Sauveplane.


Regards from Germany

Frank

Val won the gold...

conradin wrote:Val won the gold...

Sure, i wrote that ...

but it was not the biggest point at this time for me.


For me especially the Prone Match is not more the same after changing the rules and using decimal scoring. Here are some thoughts about that i wrote some time in an other nice shooting forum.

It is really a new game now and i'm not really sure, if it is also a better game. Ok, ok, i'm an old fart, but serious, the question for me is, how much represent this new decimal scoring the better skills of a shooter at a given match and how much luck is there now in the game? Some of us said, the new decimal scoring is better and fairer, but i'm not really sure about that. We all know the big influence of the ammo. But if 0.4 or 0.5 points are only the statistical result of our ammo, what does this say about the result? Surely, this problem with the ammo was ever, but if a good shooter performed really well in the past, all aimed shoots without ammo influence over 10.5 or so, he could do the maximum. Surely, there was ever this really small edge between a 10 and a 9, even a kind of luck, but if someone performed well, he could overcome this border. Now we have this statistical influence with every shoot, not only with some shoots like in the past and so it seems to me, now we could also use a dice especially for the finale rankings. Surely, a strong opinion, but really so wrong? This means also, the worst thing for me is this starting form zero in the finale. The statistical factor is a fact and this factor is always bigger if the probe, here the number of the shoots, is small. Surely, someone wins the finale with the better decimal score, but was he/she really the better shooter in this finale or was it only more luck at the right time? Next point, the difference between two decimal scoring points is 0.8mm. But there is a natural limit for our eyes and the best of us are only able to see a minimal difference of 1.5mm on the 50m distance. Was dos this say about the scoring numbers?

And at least, shooting was ever a game of to hit or not to hit. This was easy to understand, also from the not shooters. The new numbers say not so much, they are only a abstract value. You have to do some math, if you will have a visual result.

At least, as ever, only my 2 cents.

What do you all think about this?


Regards from Germany

Frank

Well written. My concern is that technology will eventually take over to a point that shots will be calculated to a thousands of a mm. At that point I am not sure if we can call it a sport, or if really the best marksman win, or whoever has the equipment (and ammo) with the best technology win.
I think it is better off to change the target size than to calculate decimal points.

All of these do nothing but to drive up the cost of the sport.

I personally like decimal scoring. It is more rational. Whole-number scoring is designed for the limitations of paper targets. When using electronic targets, there's no reason to put up with the absurdity of scoring a whole point higher just because you lucked into the ten ring by a smudge, or losing a whole point because you missed it by as much.

As with all rule changes, the difference between old and new is mostly mental. Instead of complaining, accept the new challenge and train to the new standards. You might be surprised what you can accomplish.

I was.

In both air and prone the bell shape curve has gotten wider. It is obvious to me by this that the better shooters are being rewarded by the new system. Since the curve is wider, it is harder for someone to get lucky and move up to a place they dont truely deserve and also the opposite.

My shooter, as the previous poster, tells me the mind set has to be different with new system!!