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Hello, can anybody tell me the exact weigh of the Steyr LP2 Compact either without grip or with match grip? The official data only states the weight with the small ambidextrous grip (780 gram) but that is not good for comparison. I would like to find out how much weight the shortened barrel/tube actually saves.

It's 710 (I've also read 725, but 710 comes from the official Steyr site) grams for the compact with the ambi grip, 780 with the match grip I don't know what size and 905 for the standard LP2 model I don't know what size match grip.

http://www.steyr-sportwaffen.at/media/L ... _lp2_c.pdf

Thanks for the info! In that case the Compact version does save a lot of weight. I noticed that in the specs of the Walter LP400 the short versions are only around 30g lighter than the long ones.

The weight difference between the normal and short is not that big, the weight saving comes only from the short cylinder and shorter barrel.

To give an idea, for Steyr cylinders, the short cylinder is about 45g less than the long cylinder. For the shorter barrel, I do not know the weigth saving, but you can imagine that the weight of a short steel tube is not that much.

The rest of the weigtht difference comes from the much smaller grip.

My wife uses an Anschutz LP@ light (short version of the Anschutz version of the LP10), it weights 780g with an XS grip while my LP10 with a Rink L, thick grip is 998g.

Is there any disadvantage with using a Compact AP?

The benefits - lighter (can add weight where you want within limits), shorter sight radius (some people prefer).

At 10m you would think the shorter barrel length vs accuracy would be negligable?

A74BEDLM wrote:Is there any disadvantage with using a Compact AP?

The benefits - lighter (can add weight where you want within limits), shorter sight radius (some people prefer).

At 10m you would think the shorter barrel length vs accuracy would be negligable?

The lower weigth is not an advantage for a normal male or female shooter, all adult male and most adult female without disability are able to use a normal 1kg AP.

Only advantageous for young shooters or small female or people with some disability.

The shorter sight radius is not a major problem it can even help some shooters since the, normal, movement of the pistol are less noticeable.

In my case It's because of a problem with my shoulder. I am currently shooting an LP2 which is quite light itself but saving some more weight would nevertheless help. Also moving the balance point further back may make a difference. I'll give it a try.

My point is I'm thinking of buying a Steyr LP10 having tried one a few times now and liking it. But why shouldn't I get a compact instead?

Apart from the longer sight radius - which is a personal preference (my current AP has multi sight radius and I use the shortest setting at the moment) why doesn't everyone use Compact versions? Do any top class Men use Compact? Do all top class women use Full or Compact?
Just interested.

Anonymous wrote:In my case It's because of a problem with my shoulder. I am currently shooting an LP2 which is quite light itself but saving some more weight would nevertheless help. Also moving the balance point further back may make a difference. I'll give it a try.

Shoulder or elbow problems (often encountered by big bore pistol shooters) are typical reasons to use a short version. You could first mount a short cylinder on your LP2 but the number of shots/cylinder will of course be lower.

One other difference between a short and a normal length barrel is the pellet velocity: short barrel AP have a lower velocity than full size because a short barrel need more air/shot to produce the same velocity what combined with the smaller size of the cylinder would result in a too low number of shots per cylinder -> all short barrel AP are factory set at a lower velocity.

A74BEDLM wrote:My point is I'm thinking of buying a Steyr LP10 having tried one a few times now and liking it. But why shouldn't I get a compact instead?

Apart from the longer sight radius - which is a personal preference (my current AP has multi sight radius and I use the shortest setting at the moment) why doesn't everyone use Compact versions? Do any top class Men use Compact? Do all top class women use Full or Compact?
Just interested.

I do not know any top man that use a compact. Almost all top women use a full length, just seen in some ISSF WC final some woman using a compact.

The shorter sight radius is a help for beginner AP shooter since it reduces the perceived barrel movement. But at a higher level, a longer sight radius is better (most free pistols have an even longer sight raduis than the full size AP). Morini moved the rear sight of its short version to the rear to have the same sight radius on the short version of the 162 than on the full size version.

Now, if you prefer a shorter sight radius, note that on the LP10, you can reduce the sight radius by moving the front sight to the rear.

why doesn't everyone use Compact versions?

They are becoming more popular as time goes by [ and more people try them ]
The weight difference is not all that great, but where the weight difference is located is. It is at the furtherest point.
My personal preference is for the compact...the shorter sight radius works for me, and the lightened weight and shorter length is also a plus IMHO

jipe wrote: I do not know any top man that use a compact. Almost all top women use a full length, just seen in some ISSF WC final some woman using a compact.

I know of at least 2 top Australian shooters using the Morini CM162EI Short (compact)

David Moore (who is a great source of knowledge on this forum) and Daniel Repacholi who won Bronze at the Commonwealth Games in India last week in Air.

Cheers

The Morini short has a much larger following at the elite level than the LP10 compact, it might be just the fact that the Morini short has been around longer.

the fact that the Morini allows the short to have the same sight radius as the long also makes it more acceptable to elite shooters. The LP10C is 50mm shorter at its max, that is a lot of sight radius to give up.

Have just weighed my LP2 compact with small match grips, 810gms. I use it primarily because of the weight distribution and balance which in my opinion is better that a full length pistol, many others including top class shots are coming to the same opinion and compacts are now more common, but it is all down to personal preferences, I also use a compact LP50e.
Good shooting
Robin

A74BEDLM wrote:Is there any disadvantage with using a Compact AP?

The benefits - lighter (can add weight where you want within limits), shorter sight radius (some people prefer).

At 10m you would think the shorter barrel length vs accuracy would be negligable?

This may be of interest:

http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=27255