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So here's the situation: I shoot CMP sporter air rifle, and I'm currently in the 520-550/600 range. I'm thinking about getting an air arms t200 (Champion's choice sells it as the t200 sporter) but I need to know some things about it first.

First of all, the trigger. This is the main reason I'm thinking of buying it. Is the trigger any better than what's on a daisy 887? (I've had some work done on the 887, so I can get the weight down to 1.5-2.5 pounds). Is it adjustable for overtravel? While the 887's plastic trigger design can make for a bad trigger, it also makes for a lot of overtravel, and the trigger weight doesn't change much from before and after firing, I think this really helps my follow-through.

2, the sights. Are the sights the same the daisy/gamo sights, are they better, are they worse?

3 is fit. I'm 6'3 with long arms. I can add heavy spacers and weights and build up the cheekpiece, but I'm really concerned about the rail. Does anyone know what the distance from the pistol grip to the end of the rail is?

4 is the accuracy. The old valiants have a legendary reputation for accuracy, how are the t200s?

5, how well will I be able to do with this in standing air rifle? I'm currently shooting in the 540s when I have shooting clothing.

6th, how durable is this? I"m planning on shooting about 700 rounds a week.

7, what's the resale value on this? If I don't like it, or if I decide to put standing AR first and buy an anschutz, I'd like to get most of my money back.

8 How much time would it take to order one and have it to my door? I'd like to get it before shooting camp this year.


Finally, will there really be much of an advantage to this over the 887? It seems most of the 540 and 550 shooters I see use a valiant or t200, but Eades and Wheeless use an 887.

Thanks for the help everyone.

10meter fan wrote:So here's the situation: I shoot CMP sporter air rifle, and I'm currently in the 520-550/600 range. I'm thinking about getting an air arms t200 (Champion's choice sells it as the t200 sporter) but I need to know some things about it first.

First of all, the trigger. This is the main reason I'm thinking of buying it. Is the trigger any better than what's on a daisy 887? (I've had some work done on the 887, so I can get the weight down to 1.5-2.5 pounds). Is it adjustable for overtravel? While the 887's plastic trigger design can make for a bad trigger, it also makes for a lot of overtravel, and the trigger weight doesn't change much from before and after firing, I think this really helps my follow-through.

No real overtravel adjustment ... not allowed to modify any trigger for overtravel. The grand thing about sporter is that it can teach good habits. If you are worried about overtravel, then maybe you are jerking the trigger a bit instead of a squeeze and surprise when it goes off.
My daughter shot an 887 as a freshman in HS. Was in the mid-550's (PR was a 563) before she moved to precision ... your 887 will do the job

2, the sights. Are the sights the same the daisy/gamo sights, are they better, are they worse?

Exact same sights

3 is fit. I'm 6'3 with long arms. I can add heavy spacers and weights and build up the cheekpiece, but I'm really concerned about the rail. Does anyone know what the distance from the pistol grip to the end of the rail is?

My opinion ... an 887 (w/maybe 2 spacers) will fit you better

4 is the accuracy. The old valiants have a legendary reputation for accuracy, how are the t200s?

Just as good ... same bbl (Lothar-Walter) is used ... it will outshoot you.

5, how well will I be able to do with this in standing air rifle? I'm currently shooting in the 540s when I have shooting clothing.

Assuming you mean International (precision). That's about a 90 ave. I'd think you could avg 92 or so w/o prec clothing. If you want to shoot precision, get a precision rifle ... the trigger and anatomical adjustments make much of the game here

6th, how durable is this? I"m planning on shooting about 700 rounds a week.

As durable as the XSV-40 .... Some have been shooting 7+ years now I think

7, what's the resale value on this? If I don't like it, or if I decide to put standing AR first and buy an anschutz, I'd like to get most of my money back.

Depends where you live, time of year .... in good condition figure 80% or so

8 How much time would it take to order one and have it to my door? I'd like to get it before shooting camp this year.

You'll have to call dealer on that

Finally, will there really be much of an advantage to this over the 887? It seems most of the 540 and 550 shooters I see use a valiant or t200, but Eades and Wheeless use an 887.

Again, IMO, if you have a good trigger on the 887, stick with it. it will fit your 6'3" better and you can bring it up to the 7.5lb max easier. Don't let the guns fool you ... National record was set using an 888 w/ stock sights. American Legion was won a few years ago with an 853 (pump).

Fundamentals and good solid positions are the key to the sporter game.

Thanks for the help.

I'm confused about one comment.

No real overtravel adjustment ... not allowed to modify any trigger for overtravel.

I wasn't thinking a modification, I was wondering if you could adjust it with a screwdriver or other simple tool. It sounds like you're saying that's not possible, correct?

OK Sorry .... modifying a trigger for overtravel is not allowed.

The only sporter that had a (factory) trigger overtravel adjustment that I'm aware of was the Crosman C-2000 (Don't know if the new PCP retains that)

Adjusting the XSV-40 trigger weight also moved the overtravel a bit, but it is not an "adjustment" ... there is a slack adjustment though (pre-travel)

If there is a way to mess with it the folks at Pilkguns will know.
They have a primer (sort of) for adjusting the XSV-40 trigger:
http://www.pilkguns.com/tenp/spdxs40.htm

The pilkguns doesn't list what each screw specifically does, but it does provide some help. I think I'll start a thread about this. Thanks for your help.

Try this ... the T200 is the same gun as the XSV-40 (Avanti Valiant), just a different stock.
Go here to get the S200 manual ... on p22 is the trigger adjustments
http://www.air-arms.co.uk/technical_pneumatics.html