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Trigger weight

Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:59 pm
by joker
On their AP for 10m, do most folks here try to keep just on the safe side of the 500gm ISSF trigger weight minimum? Or do many adopt a release weight that is significantly above the minimum? I have an LP2 and, as far as I can measure, have 1st stage at around 220 and 2nd stage around 300 gm. I keep wanting to significantly increase the 2nd stage but also am trying to avoid getting into a round of fannying around with it. On dry firing I have no real problem with sight alignment - my main problem is becoming unsteady and 'chicken finger' when live. Would a much heavier 2nd stage help. I have tried this but reverted back to original due to not being convinced and becoming too anxious.

Maybe I'm just to b----y old at 69 for this game.

Re: Trigger weight

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:20 am
by Spencer
joker wrote:...Maybe I'm just to b----y old at 69 for this game.
Nah! (68)

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:09 am
by scerir
Would a much heavier 2nd stage help?

# I do not think so. The question should be: how to *control* the release of the shot? Now I'm sure you can control the release of the shot even when the second stage is set below 200 grams, possibly well below.

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:58 pm
by John Marchant
You might find that changing the 1st stage to 350 grams and the 2nd to 160 could be of help.
You will still be able to feel and sense the 2nd stage and will have stabilised your trigger finger pressure on the 1st stage and then only have to create a relatively small increase to release the shot. The actual release needs to be positive without causing a resultant "twitch" that causes the final shot placement to be uncontrolled.

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:03 pm
by luftskytter-
I've played around with this too. Total weight seems less important than 2nd stage increase. I made this smaller (less than 100 gram) and it worked fine, a light 2nd stage is very nice. This is a very tempting thing! But I found that in competition it made me insecure. It should be easy to feel the start of the 2nd stage under stress so that this doesn't disturb your concentration. You should not need to hold back due to fear of accidental discharge. And you should have enough resistance to enable a nice slow "squeeze". BTW I shoot with an electronic trigger which doesn't "break", but the criteria seem to be just the same as for a mechanical trigger.

Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:35 pm
by lastman
Perhaps you should look into the cause of your chicken finger rather than trying to mask it with changing the trigger weight.

Usually chicken finger is a symptom of a fear of shooing a poor shot or a lack of confidence in your hold or other area in your shot process.

Discover the cause of the chicken finger then work out a strategy to get past it.

As for being too old... wasn't Ragnar Skanakar in his late sixties when he won an olympic medal in 1996? He isn't superman.

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:50 am
by luftskytter-
Skanåker recently won the Swedish championship, in his seventies!

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:16 am
by Rover
You may be a doddering old wreck, but if you can still get the pint to your face you're in the game!

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:54 am
by David Levene
luftskytter- wrote:Skanåker recently won the Swedish championship, in his seventies!
Interesting. What score did he get?

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 3:39 pm
by luftskytter

Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:25 pm
by David Levene
luftskytter wrote:Skanåker thread:

viewtopic.php?t=17933&highlight=skan%E5ker
That explains it; that thread was from 2 years ago.

I didn't think he had won the championship this year; he "only" reached 7th with 567 = 95.0 = 662.0.

Let's hope we can all still do that in our mid 70s

Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 3:53 pm
by luftskytter-
And it doesn't seem to stop there,
It also seems he was second in 2009 Swedish Championships Free Pistol:

http://www.pistolsm.se/sport2009/SM2009.pdf go to page 15.

short video:
http://svtplay.se/v/1641545/evigt_unge_ ... tog_silver