Prototype. Pictures.
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:13 pm
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Prototype. Pictures.
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Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:46 pm
Badly written russian... ;~))
Looks like another...pistol. Any comments?
Looks like another...pistol. Any comments?
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:00 pm
AW93 clone.
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:06 pm
next generation... some improvements. For example: only one sear in trigger system with only one spring. etc
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:29 pm
Actually the AW93 is a Khaidurov KhR30 clone...deadeyedick wrote:AW93 clone.
And this seems to be an improvement on the original.
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:30 pm
That's how I knew the story, too...Anders Turebrand wrote:Actually the AW93 is a Khaidurov KhR30 clone...
Alexander
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:35 am
KhR82 or later, the -30 didn't have the slide running up the ramp... AFAIK the last Khaidurov release was the -89...
Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:25 pm
Good luck to Mr. Khaidurov.
His website has been parked with nothing on it for years.
I hope he makes it.
I hope it's imported to USA.
I hope the price is reasonable. If it is, I'll buy one.
European guns have been out of my price range for a long time.
I can't afford to buy more AW93 magazines at $150 each.
His website has been parked with nothing on it for years.
I hope he makes it.
I hope it's imported to USA.
I hope the price is reasonable. If it is, I'll buy one.
European guns have been out of my price range for a long time.
I can't afford to buy more AW93 magazines at $150 each.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:42 pm
Good to see that the great man is still looking quite sprightly.
Unfortunately I feel that unless there is some fundamental shift in the manner in which industry and manufacturing operates in Russia, it is unlikely that this pistol will become commonly available. We have seen the situation with Khaidurov's other designs (Toz 35, Toz 49, HR79 etc) where the demand is there, but Russian manufacturers still seem to be working to a Soviet model of production. Just look at how difficult it is buy a new IZH35 : everybody wants them, shipments sell-out almost as soon as they are landed, yet Baikal don't appear to have come to terms with the basic concepts of supply and demand.
A better possibility would be if the design was sold to another manufacturer (the most obvious candidate being Feinwerkbau) with royalties going back to Khaidurov. However the Russian government is very reluctant to allow the sale of Russian intellectual property to foreign companies - especially if those designs are considered to be "strategic" and firearms (even ISSF ones) fall into this category. The sale of Khaidurov / Razorenov's design of the HR8x to Feinwerkbau where it became the AW93 occurred during the Yeltsin years when essentially everything was up for sale and the State-sector was in too big a mess to prevent it.
As much as I wish it were otherwise, I think the chances of being able to buy something like this anytime soon at a price-point similar to the IZH35 are close to zero.
Unfortunately I feel that unless there is some fundamental shift in the manner in which industry and manufacturing operates in Russia, it is unlikely that this pistol will become commonly available. We have seen the situation with Khaidurov's other designs (Toz 35, Toz 49, HR79 etc) where the demand is there, but Russian manufacturers still seem to be working to a Soviet model of production. Just look at how difficult it is buy a new IZH35 : everybody wants them, shipments sell-out almost as soon as they are landed, yet Baikal don't appear to have come to terms with the basic concepts of supply and demand.
A better possibility would be if the design was sold to another manufacturer (the most obvious candidate being Feinwerkbau) with royalties going back to Khaidurov. However the Russian government is very reluctant to allow the sale of Russian intellectual property to foreign companies - especially if those designs are considered to be "strategic" and firearms (even ISSF ones) fall into this category. The sale of Khaidurov / Razorenov's design of the HR8x to Feinwerkbau where it became the AW93 occurred during the Yeltsin years when essentially everything was up for sale and the State-sector was in too big a mess to prevent it.
As much as I wish it were otherwise, I think the chances of being able to buy something like this anytime soon at a price-point similar to the IZH35 are close to zero.