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Hey, dig this: Authorities wants to enforce a tax/fee on lead in ammunition here in Sweden. And they want to do it really good!
How about this:
1000sek/kg of lead. This is about €90/kg!! A .22lr cartridge will almost QUADRUPLE in price!
Hehe yeah that's right. And how about this: a regular .45ACP 230 grain cartridge will go from ~4sek (0.45€) to ~18sek (2€)!!

Amazing! It's not even a joke! I'm stunned... what do you think?

If we are shooting anything in the future, it will be alloy pellets into a reclaimable backstop.

whats their logic behind this?

Anonymous wrote:whats their logic behind this?

To stop you from shooting lead projectiles.

Lead will most likely be outlawed in ammunition in the next 5 years anyway, so perhaps Sweden are trying to 'encourage' this sooner rather than later. Manufacturers must already be working on alternatives so perhaps you'll be lucky and something will be available before this new proposal becomes law.

As a point of interest, I'd be interested in finding out how this extra tax will be spent to benefit the populace ?

Rob.

They tried to ban all use of lead and almost got away with it... So this is probably the "retaliation" against the people who stoped the ban.
There is absolutely no logic behind this.

Richard H wrote:

Anonymous wrote:whats their logic behind this?

To stop you from shooting lead projectiles.

Correction: to stop you from shooting.

Our range collects the lead and hands it over to the county for recycling.
Does the Swedish proposal include the provision according to which the lead you collect for recycling is written off? That would encourage people to recycle without the nonsensical penalty.


Also, there's no substitute for lead without compromising ballistic properties, except for depleted uranium, maybe.

Ahh . . . if you think Lead is an "Evil Entity" just wait until we propose switching to DU!

Remember, anything even remotely related to XXX-nium is "FROM THE DEVIL!" in the minds of the Gaian Religious Acolytes . . .

(Check out various rec.X.military newsgroups for ongoing flamewars about DU)

Mellberg wrote:Hey, dig this: Authorities wants to enforce a tax/fee on lead in ammunition here in Sweden.

What does lead in ammunition exactly mean ?

Does it mean ammunition with "naked" lead bullets, i.e. that fully jacketed, coated... lead bullet are not concerned ? This is something that we see already happen : some shooting ranges simply ban "naked" lead bullets. I think that it will become more and more common.

Or does it mean ANY ammunition containing lead ? So also coated bullets where the lead is completely covered by copper or anything else. This is a major problem as there is no real substitude for lead. i.e. some affordable material with the same density, unless some lead alloy could be acceptable and solve the problem.

No politition ever sees a tax he does'nt like. Always vote against any politition who tries to destroy our sport, no matter how he / she tries to justify it. We have reached the point in the US where the political parties hide there animosity to fire arms every political cycle in an all out effort to win our votes. Dont trust a thing they say. Our National Rifle Association alerts us to every scam they try, and we vote accoringly. Even our Supreme court has, after over 200 years of our second ammendment saying clearly The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, finally voted last month five to four that it really means it. A country is in bad shape when we have four supreeme court justices that can't read. Good Shooting Bill Horton

Sorry for the offtop, but with regard to Bill's remark:
Our dear bunch of congresscritters just passed a law granting retroactive immunity to telecom companies in direct violation of Article 1 / Section 9 of the US constitution, titled, ironically "Limits of Congress", stating "No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

The forefathers, in their wisdom, incorporated checks and balances in the system, but we're in position where no branch of government gives a shit about the rule of law anymore.

If it doesn't make your blood boil, there's something wrong with you.
Why why why do people keep voting them in????

This would appear to be intended to 'control' lead in batteries http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 6/3619.htm, but would have unintended (?) effects on shooting.

Spencer

Hope no news from Sweden reaches Brasilia. Those genius would ban lead immediatelly. The only thing you can be shure of in Brazil is that the politicos can make it worst.

But it is an issue. This is something that bothers me for some time (not the use of lead, but the possibility of a ban), since there is really no substitute for it and the green heads will notice the issue sooner or later.

Like AAlex wrote, the smart tihng is to collect and recicle, if for no other reason than removing the ecologists' argument.

We mine our back stop and sell it to the metal recyclers, done this for years, Its a decent source of revenue, especially since we are indoors not jacketed, So it is good clean high quality lead.

does anyone here have any idea what goes into some of the more common pellets that are used?

it cant be pure lead right? or can it?

Lead with a small amount of hardener (tin? antimony?).

"Almost" pure lead. Similar to cast black powder projectiles.