Just to add something different to the mix, I thought I'd devise a quiz for those who would like to try it. I will not be providing an answer key; there may not be a "right" answer for some (or all) of the questions. I may provide personal opinions later, but everyone else is invited to provide their answers for now. How much later for mine? I don't know - a week, a month, ...
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. ____ a. NPA
2. ____ b. sight alignment
3. ____ c. grip
4. ____ d. hold
5. ____ e. trigger operation
6. ____ f. stance
7. ____ g. attitude
8. ____ h. imagery (visualization)
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
I look forward to reading some answers/replies and hope to see some discussion...
Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/
A (Hopefully) Thought Provoking Quiz
Moderators: pilkguns, m1963, David Levene, Spencer, Richard H
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Steve Swartz
LOVE IT!
Here are my my solicited (albeit surely unwelcome in some quarters) thoughts:
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
All of the above. Preparation is cyclical and (hopefully) complementary.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
b with a little bit of c (during last 200 ms before release).
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
Pretty much "All of the Above" (in different ways).
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
"None of the Above;" actually, " . . . completes proper lead time ahead of when the aligned sights are directed at the desired aim point (to account for muzzle movement during lock time) . . . "
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
"All of the Above" in different ways.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
b and c are probably the "best" answer(s).
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. __6__ a. NPA
2. __1.5__ b. sight alignment
3. __4__ c. grip
4. __7__ d. hold
5. __1.5__ e. trigger operation
6. __8__ f. stance
7. __5__ g. attitude
8. __3__ h. imagery (visualization)
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
"H**l No!!!"
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
"H**l No!!"
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
Now *that* depends . . . !
Steve
Here are my my solicited (albeit surely unwelcome in some quarters) thoughts:
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
All of the above. Preparation is cyclical and (hopefully) complementary.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
b with a little bit of c (during last 200 ms before release).
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
Pretty much "All of the Above" (in different ways).
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
"None of the Above;" actually, " . . . completes proper lead time ahead of when the aligned sights are directed at the desired aim point (to account for muzzle movement during lock time) . . . "
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
"All of the Above" in different ways.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
b and c are probably the "best" answer(s).
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. __6__ a. NPA
2. __1.5__ b. sight alignment
3. __4__ c. grip
4. __7__ d. hold
5. __1.5__ e. trigger operation
6. __8__ f. stance
7. __5__ g. attitude
8. __3__ h. imagery (visualization)
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
"H**l No!!!"
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
"H**l No!!"
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
Now *that* depends . . . !
Steve
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Hear goes for the sprit of it.
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
None of the above. Immediately after the last match – debrief / notes
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
B leading to C with experience/practice/training/ability
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
Sort of B & C : Perform the desired task over and over, constructively correcting actual performance against desired performance to achieve perfection. (Perfect practice makes Perfect, practice just repeats what you had before!)
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
None of the above: Smooth and Consistent
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
Mainly B though the others count
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
B but done maintaining C
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. ____ a. NPA
2. ____ b. sight alignment
3. ____ c. grip
4. ____ d. hold
5. ____ e. trigger operation
6. ____ f. stance
7. ____ g. attitude
8. ____ h. imagery (visualization)
1) Sight alignment
2) Trigger Operation
3) Hold
4) Grip
5) NPA
6) Stance
7) Attitude
8) Imagery (visualization)
The problem is each one could be said to affect the next one up so I guess you could reverse the order.
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
A, but only if you can repeat it!
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
No if that give you a 96 …. Game On!
Thanks for the fun
Julian
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
None of the above. Immediately after the last match – debrief / notes
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
B leading to C with experience/practice/training/ability
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
Sort of B & C : Perform the desired task over and over, constructively correcting actual performance against desired performance to achieve perfection. (Perfect practice makes Perfect, practice just repeats what you had before!)
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
None of the above: Smooth and Consistent
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
Mainly B though the others count
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
B but done maintaining C
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. ____ a. NPA
2. ____ b. sight alignment
3. ____ c. grip
4. ____ d. hold
5. ____ e. trigger operation
6. ____ f. stance
7. ____ g. attitude
8. ____ h. imagery (visualization)
1) Sight alignment
2) Trigger Operation
3) Hold
4) Grip
5) NPA
6) Stance
7) Attitude
8) Imagery (visualization)
The problem is each one could be said to affect the next one up so I guess you could reverse the order.
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
A, but only if you can repeat it!
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
No if that give you a 96 …. Game On!
Thanks for the fun
Julian
Interesting- For No. 7 I would have put NPA much higher on the list than Julian or Steve did. (First or second, but at least no lower than third.)
1. Attitude
2. NPA
3. Grip
4. Stance
5. Trigger Operation
6. Sight Alignment
7. Imagery
8. Hold
Part of my logic in arriving at this ordering is that with a proper NPA, Grip, Stance, & trigger operation, it is possible to shoot a good shot while your eyes are closed, suggesting that the body's position and alignment is paramount, and if it is done properly sight alignment and hold will follow automatically. For a very rough analogy, it could be kind of like asking what is more important in driving in a straight line in a car- the vehicle's alignment, or the steering wheel. If the alignment is done properly, there will be no need for a driver to input any corrections to the cars path using the steering wheel.
-Ted
1. Attitude
2. NPA
3. Grip
4. Stance
5. Trigger Operation
6. Sight Alignment
7. Imagery
8. Hold
Part of my logic in arriving at this ordering is that with a proper NPA, Grip, Stance, & trigger operation, it is possible to shoot a good shot while your eyes are closed, suggesting that the body's position and alignment is paramount, and if it is done properly sight alignment and hold will follow automatically. For a very rough analogy, it could be kind of like asking what is more important in driving in a straight line in a car- the vehicle's alignment, or the steering wheel. If the alignment is done properly, there will be no need for a driver to input any corrections to the cars path using the steering wheel.
-Ted
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Ed Hall
First, let me thank the two brave shooters who elected to publicly provide answers for all the readers to view. I had hoped for more involvement, but I see the post was viewed over 200 times thus far. Accounting for those that viewed it after each separate post and multiple views by others, that should at least equal 20 separate readers in two days. This reply may even bring those twenty back for another look. For those who are only waiting for my answers to be provided, I apologize, for this is not that post, although there may be a hint of my views within the following paragraphs.
Your input is never unwelcome to me, even if we are in total disagreement. I am, however, fascinated by a discrepancy between what you provided and what I believe for a couple of the questions. Even though my intention was to totally leave this post alone for at least a week, you have succeeded in overpowering that initial plan. However, instead of providing real answers this time, I will only mention that I see some discussion ensuing soon. On the bright side, I like your answer for question 4, but of course have more to say, and your answers for the last three. Do note for a couple of others, I used the word best or most to query just that, from a list of highly valued items. IOW, all are important, but is there one that is more significant? Your response says they are all equal, which is fine, if it was your intent. More to follow. Thanks again for the time you put into answering.
Julian,
Thanks also for providing your answers. I'm trying to figure out how to discuss some of your (and Steve's) answers without providing the hint alluded to above, but I think it may not be possible, so I will probably put together another of my "books" to provide my views addressing each question.
Ted,
I find your NPA comment of interest, but will enjoy discussing this further. I also like the fact that you have chosen attitude as the prime factor in your list, yet wonder why imagery is so low in the same list. (Don't consider this a hint on my part.) I will provide my views later.
All,
Would you consider it better for me to address all ten questions as a whole, or provide material for single questions at a time?
Thanks again to all the viewers and quiz-takers, even those that have their answers safely concealed at home.(smile)
Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/
Steve,With inspiration, Steve wrote:Here are my my solicited (albeit surely unwelcome in some quarters) thoughts:
Your input is never unwelcome to me, even if we are in total disagreement. I am, however, fascinated by a discrepancy between what you provided and what I believe for a couple of the questions. Even though my intention was to totally leave this post alone for at least a week, you have succeeded in overpowering that initial plan. However, instead of providing real answers this time, I will only mention that I see some discussion ensuing soon. On the bright side, I like your answer for question 4, but of course have more to say, and your answers for the last three. Do note for a couple of others, I used the word best or most to query just that, from a list of highly valued items. IOW, all are important, but is there one that is more significant? Your response says they are all equal, which is fine, if it was your intent. More to follow. Thanks again for the time you put into answering.
Julian,
Thanks also for providing your answers. I'm trying to figure out how to discuss some of your (and Steve's) answers without providing the hint alluded to above, but I think it may not be possible, so I will probably put together another of my "books" to provide my views addressing each question.
Ted,
I find your NPA comment of interest, but will enjoy discussing this further. I also like the fact that you have chosen attitude as the prime factor in your list, yet wonder why imagery is so low in the same list. (Don't consider this a hint on my part.) I will provide my views later.
All,
Would you consider it better for me to address all ten questions as a whole, or provide material for single questions at a time?
Thanks again to all the viewers and quiz-takers, even those that have their answers safely concealed at home.(smile)
Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/
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Ed: Why not wait a while longer, like a year or two. I don't get the chance to log in very often.
Cecil
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
None of the above although d is closest and "after the last match is very good". But I'd have to say for me its every time I train.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
C. But sometimes, like in the wind or other conditions, its when the sight alignment is moving towards the center of the hold area.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
B as the result to achieve consistency in the individual shot, all the rest as individual items (training) to achieve "consistency".
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
D is close, but I'd say its completed before approaching (recognizing) the center of the hold area.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
Well, my subconscious is pretty stubborn so I need to do all the above.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
C and letting the visual awareness of the sight alignment do the rest.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. ____ a. NPA
2. ____ b. sight alignment
3. ____ c. grip
4. ____ d. hold
5. ____ e. trigger operation
6. ____ f. stance
7. ____ g. attitude
8. ____ h. imagery (visualization)
1. Attitude
8. Imagery
9. trigger operation
10. sight alignment
nothing else makes the top 10
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
b, sometimes its just luck. You know if its a ten or not before looking.
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
b. But its a much different type of training, and even harder to find and do than actually learning how to make a shot.
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
b. Proved it on may occations, but its much easier to start with a 10 and end with an 8 than the other way around.
Cecil
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
None of the above although d is closest and "after the last match is very good". But I'd have to say for me its every time I train.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
C. But sometimes, like in the wind or other conditions, its when the sight alignment is moving towards the center of the hold area.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
B as the result to achieve consistency in the individual shot, all the rest as individual items (training) to achieve "consistency".
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
D is close, but I'd say its completed before approaching (recognizing) the center of the hold area.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
Well, my subconscious is pretty stubborn so I need to do all the above.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
C and letting the visual awareness of the sight alignment do the rest.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. ____ a. NPA
2. ____ b. sight alignment
3. ____ c. grip
4. ____ d. hold
5. ____ e. trigger operation
6. ____ f. stance
7. ____ g. attitude
8. ____ h. imagery (visualization)
1. Attitude
8. Imagery
9. trigger operation
10. sight alignment
nothing else makes the top 10
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
b, sometimes its just luck. You know if its a ten or not before looking.
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
b. But its a much different type of training, and even harder to find and do than actually learning how to make a shot.
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
b. Proved it on may occations, but its much easier to start with a 10 and end with an 8 than the other way around.
Quiz
Hello Ed,
Here are my thoughts on your questions. Thanks for making me think.
Jim
1. Match preparation begins the day you decide you want to be a competitive shooter and every day after (mental and physical preparation being equally important).
2. The hold for the perfect shot is a waste of time and effort. Do the best you can every time you can and your efforts will be rewarded.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to practice perfecty every time (mental and physical). Positive re-enforcement of basic technique (sight alignment and trigger control) leads to the confidence in your skill level necessary to produce good groups. Good groups will produce good scores (if you can produce groups but they are not where you wish them to be adjust your sights).
4. D is what you are striving for; adjust your timing accordingly.
5. C,B,A In that order.
6. The proper use of sights is as a reference point for when to pull the trigger.
7. NPA (makes B and E easier)
sight alignment
trigger control
attitude (positive)
everything else
8. A good shot is when you can put the pellet where you aimed it. I have hit many 10's and wondered how they got there.
9. The better I get the more competitions I enter; so even though I train differently I train more. I consider every shooting session a training session since I hope to learn something every time I shoot, be it mental or physical.
10. The match is lost as soon as you quit concentrating on what you are doing.
Here are my thoughts on your questions. Thanks for making me think.
Jim
1. Match preparation begins the day you decide you want to be a competitive shooter and every day after (mental and physical preparation being equally important).
2. The hold for the perfect shot is a waste of time and effort. Do the best you can every time you can and your efforts will be rewarded.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to practice perfecty every time (mental and physical). Positive re-enforcement of basic technique (sight alignment and trigger control) leads to the confidence in your skill level necessary to produce good groups. Good groups will produce good scores (if you can produce groups but they are not where you wish them to be adjust your sights).
4. D is what you are striving for; adjust your timing accordingly.
5. C,B,A In that order.
6. The proper use of sights is as a reference point for when to pull the trigger.
7. NPA (makes B and E easier)
sight alignment
trigger control
attitude (positive)
everything else
8. A good shot is when you can put the pellet where you aimed it. I have hit many 10's and wondered how they got there.
9. The better I get the more competitions I enter; so even though I train differently I train more. I consider every shooting session a training session since I hope to learn something every time I shoot, be it mental or physical.
10. The match is lost as soon as you quit concentrating on what you are doing.
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Personal I think the verity of answers shows why this is an art and not a science. I dont see one I would disagree with, but I do sense personal priorities.
I have to admit that Teds answer to #7 putting Attitude, at No.1 probably is correct I had it at No.8. For a lot of us Attitude is almost a given, we work hard. but when I think back to many "club" shooters some of whom enter competitions but who seem to have not aspiration to better them selves and certainly don't put the work in. You see it all the time having a bad day, oh when give upt it and try again next week! I remember one guy in particular who could not hold the 6 ring (unfortunately a B team reserve due to lack of numbers/volenters). Nievelly I offered some training cards to help him and receiveed the "I cant be bothered attitude".
Ed despite te fact haveI shot all my life I am new (less that one year) to ISSF and Competition shooting. I welcome your comments on my answerers. I knowingly decided to lay my self open in the first place , so it ok by me. If you unhappy about open forum please email or PM me.
Julian
I have to admit that Teds answer to #7 putting Attitude, at No.1 probably is correct I had it at No.8. For a lot of us Attitude is almost a given, we work hard. but when I think back to many "club" shooters some of whom enter competitions but who seem to have not aspiration to better them selves and certainly don't put the work in. You see it all the time having a bad day, oh when give upt it and try again next week! I remember one guy in particular who could not hold the 6 ring (unfortunately a B team reserve due to lack of numbers/volenters). Nievelly I offered some training cards to help him and receiveed the "I cant be bothered attitude".
Ed despite te fact haveI shot all my life I am new (less that one year) to ISSF and Competition shooting. I welcome your comments on my answerers. I knowingly decided to lay my self open in the first place , so it ok by me. If you unhappy about open forum please email or PM me.
Julian
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attitude (mental)
trigger operation
sight alignment (mostly in terms of eye on sight)
I have to put attitude and trigger control right up at the top. (Speaking for pistol shooting) I get decent shots with trigger control being good even if my sights or hold are not on today. You have to have good trigger control to shoot 10's. But it takes precise sight alignment to make them x's
grip
hold
stance
NPA
To me these are so inter-related, they are all important. They are what gives you sights aligned, but only if your eye is on the sight and your mind is attentive. Two aspects of them are the actual alignment of sights, and the relation (wobble) to the target.
imagery (visualization)
I can't visualize as I believe others do, so I can't rate this.
trigger operation
sight alignment (mostly in terms of eye on sight)
I have to put attitude and trigger control right up at the top. (Speaking for pistol shooting) I get decent shots with trigger control being good even if my sights or hold are not on today. You have to have good trigger control to shoot 10's. But it takes precise sight alignment to make them x's
grip
hold
stance
NPA
To me these are so inter-related, they are all important. They are what gives you sights aligned, but only if your eye is on the sight and your mind is attentive. Two aspects of them are the actual alignment of sights, and the relation (wobble) to the target.
imagery (visualization)
I can't visualize as I believe others do, so I can't rate this.
Since someone asked for disciplines, I shoot rifle, air and smallbore.
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
- Ongoing process, but different in stages. I am preparing in different ways during prep time than I am during the practice before the match.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
- c. no question, this is the first thing my present coach told me I should do and it is working wonderfully so far at least.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
- I guess all of them to some extent, but I would think more a and b than the others. first coach was very hard on the fact that consistency is achieved by repetition while present coach and I work more with sub-c stuff.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
- I don't really do any of those...consistent pull while coming down until there is some pressure on the second stage just before you come down on to the bull. it will go off when it will after that (assuming something doesn't go wrong to cause me to reject the shot).
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
Visualization is probably best, I probably don't do as much of that as I should though. Performing it would do well too, but in visualization it can be perfect while I am not capable of a perfect performance in reality.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
not sure what open sights means, sorry, but I am assuming it is not the apertures like I use. from what your are saying it sounds like post sights on pistol. the few times I have been able to shot pistol my coach had me use a deep sub 6 hold and focus on the front sight. so based on that I would say C., but not exactly an experienced pistol shooter by any means.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. __3__ a. NPA
2. __5__ b. sight alignment
3. __7__ c. grip
4. __6__ d. hold
5. __1__ e. trigger operation
6. __2__ f. stance
7. __8__ g. attitude
8. __4__ h. imagery (visualization)
Are you a pistol shooter? just curious since most of this seems to apply more towards pistol than rifle. grip isn't exactly stressed in rifle like in pistol and have never heard anyone use the term stance for anything but pistol.
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
Not always for sure, but more often than not.
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
NO!
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
No, it just means you need to relax and get over it before you continue so you don't lose any more due to that. although in some matches four points could lose it for sure.
Well, there's my thoughts, whatever they count for. I am not a very experienced shooter but have been doing this long enough to be competitive on my team (Collegiate). I would love to hear anyones else's thought on this as well, or if anyone has any thought on what I have said.
Tori
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
- Ongoing process, but different in stages. I am preparing in different ways during prep time than I am during the practice before the match.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
- c. no question, this is the first thing my present coach told me I should do and it is working wonderfully so far at least.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
- I guess all of them to some extent, but I would think more a and b than the others. first coach was very hard on the fact that consistency is achieved by repetition while present coach and I work more with sub-c stuff.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
- I don't really do any of those...consistent pull while coming down until there is some pressure on the second stage just before you come down on to the bull. it will go off when it will after that (assuming something doesn't go wrong to cause me to reject the shot).
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
Visualization is probably best, I probably don't do as much of that as I should though. Performing it would do well too, but in visualization it can be perfect while I am not capable of a perfect performance in reality.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
not sure what open sights means, sorry, but I am assuming it is not the apertures like I use. from what your are saying it sounds like post sights on pistol. the few times I have been able to shot pistol my coach had me use a deep sub 6 hold and focus on the front sight. so based on that I would say C., but not exactly an experienced pistol shooter by any means.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. __3__ a. NPA
2. __5__ b. sight alignment
3. __7__ c. grip
4. __6__ d. hold
5. __1__ e. trigger operation
6. __2__ f. stance
7. __8__ g. attitude
8. __4__ h. imagery (visualization)
Are you a pistol shooter? just curious since most of this seems to apply more towards pistol than rifle. grip isn't exactly stressed in rifle like in pistol and have never heard anyone use the term stance for anything but pistol.
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
Not always for sure, but more often than not.
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
NO!
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
No, it just means you need to relax and get over it before you continue so you don't lose any more due to that. although in some matches four points could lose it for sure.
Well, there's my thoughts, whatever they count for. I am not a very experienced shooter but have been doing this long enough to be competitive on my team (Collegiate). I would love to hear anyones else's thought on this as well, or if anyone has any thought on what I have said.
Tori
I figured I should pony up with the rest of my humble answers/opinions. My primary focus is on Rapid Fire, so the unique operations of that event as opposed to a precision event surely influence my answers:
1. Match preparation starts
d. during the training sessions before a match.
If you want to get precise, I think it starts from the point in this sport that someone decides they want to shoot/compete in matches.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
I would have to go with c. on this one. B. sounds close, but while I think our bodies are continually correcting our hold I don't think it is or should be done consciously.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
b. Especially in rapid fire, where the subconscious plays a greater role (especially in the 4 second string). Naturally, the subconscious still must be trained and maintained by identifying and correcting errors, but I think making use of the subconscious is the best way to acheive consistency.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
I think this applies to all disciplines, but especially in rapid fire.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
This reminds me of a track coach many years ago when I was in high school who had us stretch some muscles one time and note the range of that muscle group, than had us just sit with our eyes close and visualize stretching that muscle group for several repetitions. Than we tried it physically again, and our range had significantly increased. I've been a believer of the benefits of visualisation ever since.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. Attitude
2. Imagery
3. NPA
4. Sight Alignment
5. Trigger Operation
6. Grip
7. Stance
8. Hold
Ed's response to my earlier post got me thinking about my order, and in my original response I had been thinking about it at the moment of the execution of the shot. But if we are contemplating it universally at no particular point in time but just overall, I would change my early response to the list above.
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
Not as an absolute- a shot with bad technique can still wind up in the center.
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
Thank you Ed for making me stop and think about what's going on behind all of the processes. These exercises are just as beneficial as range time to me. I appreciate the time and thought you put into these discussions.
Thanks
Ted
1. Match preparation starts
d. during the training sessions before a match.
If you want to get precise, I think it starts from the point in this sport that someone decides they want to shoot/compete in matches.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
I would have to go with c. on this one. B. sounds close, but while I think our bodies are continually correcting our hold I don't think it is or should be done consciously.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
b. Especially in rapid fire, where the subconscious plays a greater role (especially in the 4 second string). Naturally, the subconscious still must be trained and maintained by identifying and correcting errors, but I think making use of the subconscious is the best way to acheive consistency.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
I think this applies to all disciplines, but especially in rapid fire.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
This reminds me of a track coach many years ago when I was in high school who had us stretch some muscles one time and note the range of that muscle group, than had us just sit with our eyes close and visualize stretching that muscle group for several repetitions. Than we tried it physically again, and our range had significantly increased. I've been a believer of the benefits of visualisation ever since.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. Attitude
2. Imagery
3. NPA
4. Sight Alignment
5. Trigger Operation
6. Grip
7. Stance
8. Hold
Ed's response to my earlier post got me thinking about my order, and in my original response I had been thinking about it at the moment of the execution of the shot. But if we are contemplating it universally at no particular point in time but just overall, I would change my early response to the list above.
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
Not as an absolute- a shot with bad technique can still wind up in the center.
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
Thank you Ed for making me stop and think about what's going on behind all of the processes. These exercises are just as beneficial as range time to me. I appreciate the time and thought you put into these discussions.
Thanks
Ted
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Re: A (Hopefully) Thought Provoking Quiz
Ed Hall wrote:
1. Match preparation starts
d. during the training sessions before a match.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
(EDIT: Could be d too)
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
(EDIT: Then visualize that event)
6. The proper use of open sights entails
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. _7_ a. NPA
2. _2_ b. sight alignment
3. _6_ c. grip
4. _5_ d. hold
5. _1_ e. trigger operation
6. _8_ f. stance
7. _3_ g. attitude
8. _4_ h. imagery (visualization)
(EDIT: I think NPA and stance are virtually the same. Not sure what hold is as opposed to grip?)
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
b. False
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
b. False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
b. False !!!
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Ed Hall
Hello again, everyone,
And thanks for the extra responses, although I'm kind of curious about Cecil's remark:
BTW, I like your answers for almost all, but again would like to discuss.
Julian,
I would like to keep most of this on the board because I'm sure there are lurkers who will be interested in all, but I am open to off line discussions.
For Julian and anyone else, if you would like to contact me directly, please have a meaningful subject line - probably better to have TT or TargetTalk in it - and email me through the AF Team site at edwin_hall@airforceshooting.org. Please allow me a few days to respond. Sometimes I get wrapped up trying to put something together that is coherent. However, don't hesitate to bump (kick) me again if I don't get back to you in a week or so. Also, the response from me will be via my Juno account.
Guest,
Yes, there will be a difference in approach to some aspects due to disciplines as well as where a shooter is on their ladder of understanding. I always hope I'm helpful in them reaching another rung.
Jack,
You have mentioned the visualization difficulty in the past. I don't know if we have discussed this, but I had wanted to inquire whether you form a mental image of the surroundings described when reading a book? Can you picture yourself in an environment of your own making, or in the following description:
1) Think of a clear country brook with water falling over rocks and an occasional fish visible near the bottom of a small pool in the stream.
2) Add in the sounds of the falling water and some distant birds.
3) Now, add in the smell of a moist mist in the air and an aroma from the greenery about you.
4) Feel the moisture from the mist cooling your face.
5) Taste the moisture as you breathe in through your mouth.
As you read the above lines, did you in any way form any imaginary sense from any of the prompts? You will not be sensing with your physical senses directly, but you may cause a sympathetic response within part of your perception.
Nikola Tesla (the real inventor of radio) has been described to be confused that others didn't see in front of them the visions he could clearly see. I do not see things as clearly as that either, but I do imagine things in my mind that I can fully describe and explore. These mental images are what are used for visualization. Some people respond to other senses better than the visual one, which is why I added the others above. If one seems stronger for you, I would start with that one first and build upon it before moving to the rest.
Tori,
I had tried to make this as non-discipline specific as I could in hopes it would be valuable for rifle and pistol. I have only fired a minor amount of competitive rifle, but have shot many disciplines of pistol. Open sights, by definition, do not include aperture, which can well be argued as different from a U or rectangular shaped rear sight opening with a front post.
As for stance, I normally attribute it to the standing position in rifle, but acknowledge that even that is performed grossly different from the pistol stance. If we replace "position" for "stance" would that fit into the rifle world?
Thank you very much for the added info.
bdutton,
I was considering stance to be the support structure of the physical system and NPA to be the placement of that structure such that NPA is aligned. I consider it possible to stand in a very stable position in which your sights are not pointed at the target while you are holding within your NPA. As to hold vs. grip, the hold is your wobble or arc of movement, while the grip is how the digits grasp the handle of the gun.
All,
I hope no one has passed out in anticipation of my answers. Many of them have been voiced by those who've already replied. I'll leave the masses to study what has been provided for a while more before I tell who is closest to my views and what my current beliefs entail. Thank you to all who have shown an interest in this thread.
Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/
And thanks for the extra responses, although I'm kind of curious about Cecil's remark:
Wow, Cecil! You don't want to hear from me for a couple of years? Sorry, I don't know if I can wait that long. I'm just bursting with things to say.(smile)He wrote:Ed: Why not wait a while longer, like a year or two. I don't get the chance to log in very often.
BTW, I like your answers for almost all, but again would like to discuss.
Julian,
I would like to keep most of this on the board because I'm sure there are lurkers who will be interested in all, but I am open to off line discussions.
For Julian and anyone else, if you would like to contact me directly, please have a meaningful subject line - probably better to have TT or TargetTalk in it - and email me through the AF Team site at edwin_hall@airforceshooting.org. Please allow me a few days to respond. Sometimes I get wrapped up trying to put something together that is coherent. However, don't hesitate to bump (kick) me again if I don't get back to you in a week or so. Also, the response from me will be via my Juno account.
Guest,
Yes, there will be a difference in approach to some aspects due to disciplines as well as where a shooter is on their ladder of understanding. I always hope I'm helpful in them reaching another rung.
Jack,
You have mentioned the visualization difficulty in the past. I don't know if we have discussed this, but I had wanted to inquire whether you form a mental image of the surroundings described when reading a book? Can you picture yourself in an environment of your own making, or in the following description:
1) Think of a clear country brook with water falling over rocks and an occasional fish visible near the bottom of a small pool in the stream.
2) Add in the sounds of the falling water and some distant birds.
3) Now, add in the smell of a moist mist in the air and an aroma from the greenery about you.
4) Feel the moisture from the mist cooling your face.
5) Taste the moisture as you breathe in through your mouth.
As you read the above lines, did you in any way form any imaginary sense from any of the prompts? You will not be sensing with your physical senses directly, but you may cause a sympathetic response within part of your perception.
Nikola Tesla (the real inventor of radio) has been described to be confused that others didn't see in front of them the visions he could clearly see. I do not see things as clearly as that either, but I do imagine things in my mind that I can fully describe and explore. These mental images are what are used for visualization. Some people respond to other senses better than the visual one, which is why I added the others above. If one seems stronger for you, I would start with that one first and build upon it before moving to the rest.
Tori,
I had tried to make this as non-discipline specific as I could in hopes it would be valuable for rifle and pistol. I have only fired a minor amount of competitive rifle, but have shot many disciplines of pistol. Open sights, by definition, do not include aperture, which can well be argued as different from a U or rectangular shaped rear sight opening with a front post.
As for stance, I normally attribute it to the standing position in rifle, but acknowledge that even that is performed grossly different from the pistol stance. If we replace "position" for "stance" would that fit into the rifle world?
Thank you very much for the added info.
bdutton,
I was considering stance to be the support structure of the physical system and NPA to be the placement of that structure such that NPA is aligned. I consider it possible to stand in a very stable position in which your sights are not pointed at the target while you are holding within your NPA. As to hold vs. grip, the hold is your wobble or arc of movement, while the grip is how the digits grasp the handle of the gun.
All,
I apologize for my cloudiness in the way I phrased some of my questions. I was hoping to suggest more of a general importance without a time reference. IOW, I was looking at things throughout the process, but not in the process step order they may be addressed. Obviously, the grip would be settled before the trigger is initiated, but I would place the trigger higher on my list. This was also my intent to leave the time line out of the other questions as well, but my opening question was therefore misleading since it did involve a chronological set of answers.Within Ted's second response he wrote:Ed's response to my earlier post got me thinking about my order, and in my original response I had been thinking about it at the moment of the execution of the shot. But if we are contemplating it universally at no particular point in time but just overall, I would change my early response to the list above.
I hope no one has passed out in anticipation of my answers. Many of them have been voiced by those who've already replied. I'll leave the masses to study what has been provided for a while more before I tell who is closest to my views and what my current beliefs entail. Thank you to all who have shown an interest in this thread.
Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/
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CR10XGuest
ED:
You know I want to hear from you anytime! I was trying to say please wait to respond with your training widsom, so you could get a large collection of responses.
I would like to get a collection and where there was commonality and divergence in our answers (before you put us on the proper path ;-))
I really appreciate the questions and they provided some thought for an onging discussion that Grayson and I are working on.
Thanks again
Cecil Rhodes
You know I want to hear from you anytime! I was trying to say please wait to respond with your training widsom, so you could get a large collection of responses.
I would like to get a collection and where there was commonality and divergence in our answers (before you put us on the proper path ;-))
I really appreciate the questions and they provided some thought for an onging discussion that Grayson and I are working on.
Thanks again
Cecil Rhodes
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CR10XGuest
Sorry, forgot one comment. I don't know if you remember, but I don't subscribe to the concept of "perfect shot", so my answers were all in the context of my "acceptable 10 shot". And there is lots of room for discussion an divergent opinions on this one.
That should be enough to think about until I get back from vacation.
Cecil Rhodes
That should be enough to think about until I get back from vacation.
Cecil Rhodes
Re: A (Hopefully) Thought Provoking Quiz
I think I'll tackle these - Jack H
"I seek not to know all the answers, but to understand the questions."
- Kwai Chang Caine -
[b]1. Match preparation starts[/b]
When doesn't matter so much. But where does. In your head.
[b]2. The hold for the perfect shot[/b]
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
C&D will do if "rigid" translates to tight and precise
[b]3. The best way to achieve consistency is to[/b]
a. perform the desired task over and over.
over and over in the way that works
[b]4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot[/b]
Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast.
[b]5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to[/b]
a. perform that event.
to create an accurate image
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
Wouldn't a visual just be showing the goal to the subconscious
[b]6. The proper use of open sights entails[/b]
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
(I'm beginning to realize the difficulty of keeping my eye hard and quiet on the sight is a vision/lighting/Rx matter)
[b]7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):[/b]
done above
[b]8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.[/b]
False
[b]9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.[/b]
False
[b]10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.[/b]
Two eights for me is a good start. (we don't want any sixes) I don't really give a shot about the "match".
"I seek not to know all the answers, but to understand the questions."
- Kwai Chang Caine -
[b]1. Match preparation starts[/b]
When doesn't matter so much. But where does. In your head.
[b]2. The hold for the perfect shot[/b]
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
C&D will do if "rigid" translates to tight and precise
[b]3. The best way to achieve consistency is to[/b]
a. perform the desired task over and over.
over and over in the way that works
[b]4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot[/b]
Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fast.
[b]5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to[/b]
a. perform that event.
to create an accurate image
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
Wouldn't a visual just be showing the goal to the subconscious
[b]6. The proper use of open sights entails[/b]
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
(I'm beginning to realize the difficulty of keeping my eye hard and quiet on the sight is a vision/lighting/Rx matter)
[b]7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):[/b]
done above
[b]8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.[/b]
False
[b]9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.[/b]
False
[b]10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.[/b]
Two eights for me is a good start. (we don't want any sixes) I don't really give a shot about the "match".
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Ed Hall
Hi Cecil,
I hope you caught that I was attempting to pull your leg a bit as well. I had intended to wait a while before providing my views anyway, but I'm not sure how long to wait. I don't want to turn too many away because I didn't give my views soon enough. Also I thought maybe I could see if I interpreted any of the provided ones as better than my views.
As to the perfect shot, I see a difference of definition only. If you are a believer in a super absolute perfection that is unreachable in this earthly realm, then you are correct that there is no such thing. However, if you can look around and see that nature contains many perfect illustrations of things, while each is still different, you might be able to define perfection as simply a representation of a specific thing. To illustrate, two leaves from a maple tree, with no blemishes, might be considered perfect examples, while they are quite dissimilar if examined closely enough. They are not perfectly the same, but are perfect examples of maple leaves. If we extend this to the unfolding of a precision shot, one could consider perfection as the proper unfolding of the fundamentals, resulting in a ten. It may not be a dead center ten, but we have a pretty good sized area to call a ten. For some time I wondered how we could call a 100, a perfect score if it wasn't a 10x, but it is considered so by many.
I've often reworded the "accept your hold" idea into "increase your definition of center." In either case, the purpose is, of course, to allow your subconscious to complete a shot without the conscious constantly interfering because the sights say it isn't good enough.
Again, it's merely a definition and obviously yours means a particular thing to you, while it means something different to me. Thanks again for all your input.
Have a good vacation...
Hi Jack,
Thanks for providing the rest of the responses. More to follow.
And, again, thank you to everyone who is participating (even by just reading) in this thread.
Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/
I hope you caught that I was attempting to pull your leg a bit as well. I had intended to wait a while before providing my views anyway, but I'm not sure how long to wait. I don't want to turn too many away because I didn't give my views soon enough. Also I thought maybe I could see if I interpreted any of the provided ones as better than my views.
As to the perfect shot, I see a difference of definition only. If you are a believer in a super absolute perfection that is unreachable in this earthly realm, then you are correct that there is no such thing. However, if you can look around and see that nature contains many perfect illustrations of things, while each is still different, you might be able to define perfection as simply a representation of a specific thing. To illustrate, two leaves from a maple tree, with no blemishes, might be considered perfect examples, while they are quite dissimilar if examined closely enough. They are not perfectly the same, but are perfect examples of maple leaves. If we extend this to the unfolding of a precision shot, one could consider perfection as the proper unfolding of the fundamentals, resulting in a ten. It may not be a dead center ten, but we have a pretty good sized area to call a ten. For some time I wondered how we could call a 100, a perfect score if it wasn't a 10x, but it is considered so by many.
I've often reworded the "accept your hold" idea into "increase your definition of center." In either case, the purpose is, of course, to allow your subconscious to complete a shot without the conscious constantly interfering because the sights say it isn't good enough.
Again, it's merely a definition and obviously yours means a particular thing to you, while it means something different to me. Thanks again for all your input.
Have a good vacation...
Hi Jack,
Thanks for providing the rest of the responses. More to follow.
And, again, thank you to everyone who is participating (even by just reading) in this thread.
Take Care,
Ed Hall
http://www.airforceshooting.org/
http://www.starreloaders.com/edhall/
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Guest
Re: A (Hopefully) Thought Provoking Quiz
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. __6__ a. NPA
2. __2__ b. sight alignment
3. __4__ c. grip
4. __5__ d. hold
5. __1__ e. trigger operation
6. __8__ f. stance
7. __3__ g. attitude
8. __7__ h. imagery (visualization)
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. __6__ a. NPA
2. __2__ b. sight alignment
3. __4__ c. grip
4. __5__ d. hold
5. __1__ e. trigger operation
6. __8__ f. stance
7. __3__ g. attitude
8. __7__ h. imagery (visualization)
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
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Guest
Re: A (Hopefully) Thought Provoking Quiz
1. Match preparation starts
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. __6__ a. NPA
2. __2__ b. sight alignment
3. __4__ c. grip
4. __5__ d. hold
5. __1__ e. trigger operation
6. __8__ f. stance
7. __3__ g. attitude
8. __7__ h. imagery (visualization)
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False
a. with the preparation period.
b. when you get up on the day of the match.
c. on the evening prior to the match.
d. during the training sessions before a match.
2. The hold for the perfect shot
a. has to sit stationary on the center of the bull.
b. has to be continually and consciously corrected to keep it centered.
c. should be allowed to float undisturbed over the aiming area.
d. should be rigid, like a vise, to be effective.
3. The best way to achieve consistency is to
a. perform the desired task over and over.
b. allow the task to "perform itself" by making use of the subconscious.
c. observe daily indicators and shift technique accordingly.
d. compete in as many championships as possible.
4. The trigger operation for the perfect shot
a. has to be slow to be consistent.
b. starts just as the aligned sights settle in the center.
c. has to be fast to be consistent.
d. completes as the aligned sights settle in the center.
5. The best method to tell your subconscious what you desire is to
a. perform that event.
b. visualize that event.
c. make that event a goal.
d. study all the details about the event.
6. The proper use of open sights entails
a. aligning the sights with the center of the bull.
b. using a set pattern to check alignment, i.e. left gap, right gap, level tops, etc.
c. fixing your focus on a single point of the front sight.
d. placing the bull on top of the front sight image.
7. Rate the following in importance from 1 to 8 (1 is most important):
1. __6__ a. NPA
2. __2__ b. sight alignment
3. __4__ c. grip
4. __5__ d. hold
5. __1__ e. trigger operation
6. __8__ f. stance
7. __3__ g. attitude
8. __7__ h. imagery (visualization)
8. If it's a ten, it was a good shot.
a. True
b. False
9. The better you get, the less time is needed for training.
a. True
b. False
10. Two eights (or one six) in the first ten shots means the match is lost.
a. True
b. False