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RWS seems to be offering a new .22 long rifle cartridge - .22LFB Super Pistol 250 - and is "coming soon" to ....

A German website lists the round at 270 meters/second (@886 fps) - ideal for the "new" rapid fire discipline.

When available, it won't be inexpensive - about $15.50/100. Ouch!

Has anyone experienced it yet?

I tried this based on the recommendation of my ammo distributor. He told me the German team was using it.

It shoots very soft, and I was pleased with it's accuracy, however, in my case it does not meet the chrono test.

I tested it out of a couple of different Walthers, and it averaged 243m/s. I spoke with some other shooters that use Pardinis and they had similar experiences.

I have been using Eley Pistol Match, and have no problems with it. It chronos at 270m/s, with a max deviation of only 14m/s out of my GSP Expert.

Rws used to make ammo called FP50-I think.Is this the same stuff,with different packaging??The specs seem the same.Ernie

My latest ammo test data.
(average velocity from 5 shots)

Pistol........................Morini Cm22..........Tesro T22
RWS Pistol Match............294.....................277
RWS Super50..................261....................230 ***
Eley Match Semi-auto......285....................285
SK Std Plus......................287....................268
Federal Target 711b.........289....................274
Federal Champion............303....................288

*** Failure for Rapidfire minimum velocity

The difference between the pistols is the barrel length (the Tesro is much shorter 113mm)

David

Have you tried Lapua Pistol King?

Correction for Tesro = Eley Match Semi Auto.....267 m/s
No, I have not tried any Lapua, to hard to find in shops.

Heidelberg guy wrote: ...
I tested it out of a couple of different Walthers, and it averaged 243m/s. I spoke with some other shooters that use Pardinis and they had similar experiences.
...

Small barrel lenght. Walther GSP Expert barrel length is only 4,528" (115 mm), Pardini SP - 4,724" (120mm).


Try Walther KSP 200 (153mm), SAM22 (150mm), Matchguns MG2 (152mm), Feinwerkbau AW93 (152mm), or russian IZH-35M (153mm), IZH-HR-30 (153mm).


I tested RWS 250 with (50 shoots):

IZH-HR-30 - 256 m/s avg
IZH-35M - 255 m/s avg
AW93 - 253 m/s avg. (-6 +7) m/s, 4 shoots under 250 m/s.



I think that pistols with a short barrel and front magazine is not suitable for rapid fire shooting under new rules.

I think that pistols with a short barrel and front magazine is not suitable for rapid fire shooting under new rules.

So, which pistol is Alifirenko using? One with a short barrel and a front magazine me thinks! I also think that short barrel and front magazine has won all the World Cups this year.

Caution

Testing of batches of various ammunition over a chronograph for RFP has given some big velocity differences between inividual pistols OF THE SAME MAKE AND MODEL.

Just because a shooter gets 250+mps with brand X ammo in brand Y pistol does not mean that all brand ammo X will pass in brand Y pistols (shades of the experience of IPSC and Action shooters?)

Spencer C

j-team wrote: So, which pistol is Alifirenko using? One with a short barrel and a front magazine me thinks! I also think that short barrel and front magazine has won all the World Cups this year.

Up to new rules Alifirenko shot from "Khaidurov" HR-79 (long barrel, rear-side magazine), from this pistol he has won Olympic "gold" in 2000 and "bronze" in 2004 (and won some more tens other competitions). Now Sergey shoots from MZ-57-1, it's a unique Russian standard pistol of a high class (IZH-35M in Russia is considered a pistol for beginning and world class shooters do not shoot from it).
But, I think, that in the near future Sergey will replace the pistol. I know that Efim Khaidurov already developed a new standard pistol specially for Sergey. And this pistol has long barrel and rear-side magazine.

I hope some of these pistols will make it to the U.S. for some of us to play with. Thanks for the input.

Futsker,

We are not talking about what happened with the .22short pistols, but what is happening now under the 2005 rules.