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Given the barrage of posts on the ISSF rules .. here is one that I am pondering on.

In the AP finals what is the time allowed between the command 'load' and 3-2-1-start. I was competing in the Canadian Air gun Grand prix and was feeling really rushed since the RO was barely giving 5-7 or so seconds. I checked the rules and funnily there is no mention of this time. There is a mention of 1 minute for the 25m event but nothing on the AP/FP events.

I tried keeping the breech open to see if the RO would pick the hint and call 3-2-1 a little later but to no avail...

5-7 seconds seems to be normal, or maybe a bit long.

There is obviously no intention to give the shooter 1 minute to get ready as, when referring to “ATTENTION 3-2-1-START”, rule 8.14.6.1.5 says "This command with the count-down should give the shooters sufficient time to take up their shooting positions."

I've only shot in the one finals but I've watched quite a few. It seems normal for it to be 5-10 secs. The range officer normally appears to watch loading and count down from the time everyone 'looks ready' or has loaded. Anyway you have a full 75 seconds after loading, if you want a couple of breaths or whatever before commencing your shot sequence.

Rob.

dsingh wrote:Given the barrage of posts on the ISSF rules .. here is one that I am pondering on.

In the AP finals what is the time allowed between the command 'load' and 3-2-1-start. I was competing in the Canadian Air gun Grand prix and was feeling really rushed since the RO was barely giving 5-7 or so seconds. I checked the rules and funnily there is no mention of this time. There is a mention of 1 minute for the 25m event but nothing on the AP/FP events.

I tried keeping the breech open to see if the RO would pick the hint and call 3-2-1 a little later but to no avail...

In AP finals, they attention 3-2-1 command is given when the range officer deems everyone is loaded and ready. If you did have your breech open, then the RO wasn't quite watching closely enough, because he should have seen that, and thus not given the attention command.

I have seen shooters not put the gun into his/her hand until they were ready, because that is more obvious than watching to see if everyone's breech is closed.

I use to have the same feelings as you, that everything was rushed in AP finals, but after you shoot a few, you start to get the hang of things. Basically as soon as you load the pellet, you better be ready to start your shot routine. So as soon as I put the pellet in, close the breech, I am in my stance, taking a few breaths, and my arm is in my start position. As soon as I hear start, I am in my raise, so I have the maximum amount of time.

I have seen people actually raise before the start, so when the start is given, they are actually ready to shoot. I think this is allowed.

trinity wrote: I have seen people actually raise before the start, so when the start is given, they are actually ready to shoot. I think this is allowed.

That is quite common here in the UK. In most of our mens finals one or more competitors raises on the word 'attention'.

Rob.

RobStubbs wrote:

trinity wrote: I have seen people actually raise before the start, so when the start is given, they are actually ready to shoot. I think this is allowed.

That is quite common here in the UK. In most of our mens finals one or more competitors raises on the word 'attention'.

Rob.

Really? Is this also true for Standard Pistol and Rapid Fire? I've been waiting for a beep (or green light) before I raise the gun when practicing for Standard Pistol and Rapid Fire. Being able to raise the gun at 'attention' would make the 4 second strings a little easier.

The rules are different for shooting AP/FP finals and shooting standard/CF rapid/duel events.

Steve Swartz

sparky wrote:

RobStubbs wrote:

trinity wrote: I have seen people actually raise before the start, so when the start is given, they are actually ready to shoot. I think this is allowed.

That is quite common here in the UK. In most of our mens finals one or more competitors raises on the word 'attention'.

Rob.

Really? Is this also true for Standard Pistol and Rapid Fire? I've been waiting for a beep (or green light) before I raise the gun when practicing for Standard Pistol and Rapid Fire. Being able to raise the gun at 'attention' would make the 4 second strings a little easier.

You can only do it for Air, Free, 25m Pistol (Sport Pistol) Precision, 25m Center Fire Precision and Standard Pistol 150 second stages. All of the other events and stages require you to start from the "Ready" position.

An addition information, for rapid fire, 20 and 10 seconds rapid fire stage for SP, 3/7 5 shoot stage for CF and Lady sports, the rules state it clearly that the shooting hand must be in an angle between perpendicular to the ground and 45 degrees to the horizontal.

As for AP and AR finals, the spread for the finalists is much compact than other events andthe RO should aware that all shotters have loaded before calling "Start".