TargetTalk

BobGee wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:05 pm [

Interestingly, back in 2012, our old friend conradin posted a list of Free Pistols used in Olympics, World Champs and Cups from 1896 and in the first few years, the pistols were centrefire (Sept 2012 - Topic #36503) in calibres from .44 to 7.5. In 1906 someone even used a DWM Swiss Luger, which would have been a 30 calibre (7.62); apart from the .44, nothing as large as the 9mm. After that, I think the pistols were largely .22 and, according to conradin's research, after World War II, .22 was mandated and eventually only .22LR was allowed.

David M wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:07 pm I shoot .38 special in ISSF competition.
I have taken the Maunrhin .38 Match revolver to both World Championship and Commonwealth games and sometimes the only .38 on the line.
You may have to justify your loads, no jacketed projectiles and loaded to .38 power levels.
Typical is a 148g lead HBWC with 2.7-2.8g Bullseye.
My competition load is a 134g button nose wadcutter loaded to 780 f/s-800 f/s.
Most 9mm will not load down to that level and cycle with lead projectiles.
The bigger calibre auto's I have seen at ISSF comp's are usually model 52's, P240's or hybrid 38 super Colt Officers model (loaded with wadcutter).

JamesH wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:45 am I'd be fine with limiting the power . . . .

JamesH wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:45 am Now how do I convince PA and the ISSF to ratify this?

rmca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:23 am I've been on both ends of that situation. Trying to train .22lr or .32 and have a couple of guys with 9mm, and training 9mm and having someone else training with .22lr. It's not good for the one with the smaller caliber.
For 25m center fire pistol you can use a 9mm, as long as it doesn't have a ported barrel and it complies with the rest of the rules.
It doesn't bring you any advantages and it disturbs the guys next to you on the line, but it's permitted by the rules.
I think the spirit of the rule is to leave out things like .357 magnum, or +P ammunition.
The problem you are going to have is that the rule doesn't specify a upper limit to the cartridge power. It probably never needed to, because you have no advantage, and top level competitors don't use them anyway.
You should try to find a way to cope with the situation. Assign the 9mm crowd to a different bay on the range, and the ISSF to another, if space permits, or get them to one side of the bay and the ISSF to another. Both should have the right to shoot.

Hope this helps

atomicgale wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:04 am

JamesH wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:45 am I'd be fine with limiting the power . . . .

In history, where have we heard these exact words before . . . ?

JamesH wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 3:45 am Given the floor for service pistol PF loads is 120 - and they're fairly loud by local standards, I think a limit of 110 would be reasonable for ISSF Centrefire on an enclosed range.
My WA1500 9mm loads are 112, with a little more effort they could be 110 so it can be done.

Gwhite wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:29 pm The best option is to see if you can convert them to real target shooters. Restrict the loads they can shoot so they aren't blasting people with shock waves, and then shame them into learning how to shoot better by showing them what is possible.

JamesH wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:47 am We're talking about ISSF shooting competitions, this is hardly a threat to Americans preparing for the return of the redcoats.

m1963 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 29, 2023 5:33 pm For the target shooter, until one has been under fire, and in fear of their life, they should not denigrate what the combat shooter does.

JamesH wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:46 am Thats great but my club does not have 'combat shooting', the closest it has is 'Service' which is a bit like PPC.
But PPC is hard work so people prefer to shoot Centrefire to achieve their minimum attendance requirements to own a 9mm