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Russ wrote: From my knowledge, there are no high score records in Olympic pistol discipline from Brian Zins if I'm not mistaken. I saw his records around 570 in Air Pistol. I do not remember his Free Pistol records, probably around 540.

Russ, I like Brian Zins' personality no more than I like yours. (His blog makes me think that the guy is pretty dense.) However, he is an accomplished shooter all around. Zins actually did pretty well in Air and Free when he felt like it. Not that he bothered often. But at 2004 Olympic selection match he was third in Air (behind Szarenski and Turner), a mere 1.2 points behind the first place after 4 matches and a final. His high score was 584.
That should be enough for you to want to eat your words, but you might want to look further at Zins's Free pistol performance in the same match. He finished first, 3.2 points above Szarenski and some 30+ above third-place Turner. Zins' high score was 560. Turner and Szarenski were probably damn happy Zins did not bother to show up in 2008 and 2012.

http://www.usashooting.org/library/Matc ... select.pdf

Hey Gunny Zins, belated happy Marine Corps birthday congrats. Semper fi!

You guys should have quoted the rest of my text from World Champion Don Nygord regrding NO NPOA. That should handle AP and FP comments.

shaky hands wrote:

Russ wrote: From my knowledge, there are no high score records in Olympic pistol discipline from Brian Zins if I'm not mistaken. I saw his records around 570 in Air Pistol. I do not remember his Free Pistol records, probably around 540.

Russ, I like Brian Zins' personality no more than I like yours. (His blog makes me think that the guy is pretty dense.) However, he is an accomplished shooter all around. Zins actually did pretty well in Air and Free when he felt like it. Not that he bothered often. But at 2004 Olympic selection match he was third in Air (behind Szarenski and Turner), a mere 1.2 points behind the first place after 4 matches and a final. His high score was 584.
That should be enough for you to want to eat your words, but you might want to look further at Zins's Free pistol performance in the same match. He finished first, 3.2 points above Szarenski and some 30+ above third-place Turner. Zins' high score was 560. Turner and Szarenski were probably damn happy Zins did not bother to show up in 2008 and 2012.

http://www.usashooting.org/library/Matc ... select.pdf

Russ wrote:Rover wrote: “You might do better if you realize that there IS NO NPOA”.

This is my point of view. Someone who is applied this concept in Olympic pistol performance is losing at least 10-15 Conservative potential points.

If this concept applied toward combat or tactical pistol is nothing wrong with that, because there is no time to apply NPA during a combat encounter.

Dear shaky hands thank you for update me on the competitive data about Brian Zins' performance. As I said earlier I had no records to recall. Next time when you will use similar expressions do not forget to sign your human name, to make your contributions more valuable. I didn’t said anything offensive or silly. I corrected what is necessary to understand how to improve Olympic pistol performance. I didn’t take first place on USAS National, it is correct. I scored AP 576 and took fifth place, besides this I had to work 50 hours a week at different place then as the shooting range. Keep it in mind.

Russ, huh? Did I say anything about NPA or my own credentials? I was defending Zins' against you trying to put him down. Do you agree you "probable" assumptions were off? Then this is the end of my contribution to the topic.

shaky hands wrote:Russ, huh? Did I say anything about NPA or my own credentials? I was defending Zins' against you trying to put him down. Do you agree you "probable" assumptions were off? Then this is the end of my contribution to the topic.

Assumption is assumption, if you have correct records show it. Do not make this place smell as a junk, use appropriate language or sign you human name.

Definition of ASSUMPTION

a : an assuming that something is true
b : a fact or statement (as a proposition, axiom, postulate, or notion) taken for granted

"Many scientific assumptions about Mars were wrong."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assumption

Shooters et al: coaching , good , or bad. Paid, or free, should not include degrading anyone. If a shooter is of a mind to just go out and have fun at the club level that is fine, their quest for knowledge and improvement is just as valid as a person aspiring to shoot in the Olympics. If a coach or a shooter for that matter has to but down anyone in order to lift themselves up, are they truely worthy of respect? No I would say. There are many ways to answer questions with a civil tongue and respect for the efforts of even the beginner. All the great shooters I have ever met managed to figure this out from the start.

shaky hands wrote: "I was defending Zins"
There is no point to protect Brian; there was no offence in the first place. Someone just misquoted or misunderstood the concept idea. I think that BenEnglishTX perfectly explained what happened.

I can repeat it again.
"Rover wrote:
You might do better if you realize that there IS NO NPOA. (Unlike rifle shooting) "

You shouldn't be "fighting" the wobble; you'll never be able to hold still. Just relax and concentrate on a good trigger squeeze "

"This is my point of view. Someone who is applied this concept in Olympic pistol performance is losing at least 10-15 Conservative potential points. "

Greg Derr wrote:Shooters et al: coaching , good , or bad. Paid, or free, should not include degrading anyone. If a shooter is of a mind to just go out and have fun at the club level that is fine, their quest for knowledge and improvement is just as valid as a person aspiring to shoot in the Olympics. If a coach or a shooter for that matter has to but down anyone in order to lift themselves up, are they truely worthy of respect? No I would say. There are many ways to answer questions with a civil tongue and respect for the efforts of even the beginner. All the great shooters I have ever met managed to figure this out from the start.

Greg, of all the quotes in the threads iv been lurking around in for the last year or so this just jumps off the screen at me.

Not a truer word spoken, I myself have fallen foul of this sometimes, and have worked hard to not fall into this trap when offering advice on anything im asked. its quite amazing how good things come into your life when respect and manners are extended to others.