12 o'clock hold

Darkhorse · Post by **Darkhorse** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:07 pm

Does anyone use a 12 o'clock hold or reverse flat. Maybe it just a Bullseye thing?

Steve Swartz · Post by **Steve Swartz** » Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:36 pm

Darkhorse:

What exactly do you mean by a "12 O'Clock Hold?" I have heard it described a couple of different ways (including dots vs irons)- what does it mean to you personally?

99 THE HARD WAY · Post by **99 THE HARD WAY** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:01 pm

I think he means a little bit higher than center hold.

Darkhorse · Post by **Darkhorse** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:47 pm

I mean a center hold with a hint of black showing. Have you guys ever heard of anyone shooting that hold?

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:54 pm

What is the advantage?

Sub-six advantage is that you are aligning black sights on white

Center hold advantage for precision really isn't much for duello and rapid fire there is no white to do sub six so center is best.

I cant see the advantage of aligning the sights high on the black, there might be one, but I don't know what it is.

Darkhorse · Post by **Darkhorse** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:16 pm

What is the advantage for a thin line of white?

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:42 pm

Don't know who said anything about a thin line of white. That would be a six o'clock hold (bottom of the black). I believe my post spelled out the advantage of sub-six.

The advantage of sub-six to six is the fact that it an area aim as opposed tp a point aim, which will have a tendency to make a shooter over hold, or snatch that trigger.

deadeyedick · Post by **deadeyedick** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:25 pm

The advantage of sub-six to six is the fact that it an area aim as opposed tp a point aim, which will have a tendency to make a shooter over hold, or snatch that trigger.

Spot on Richard.

Steve Swartz · Post by **Steve Swartz** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:14 pm

Yes, precisely.

First I think we needed to know if this was a dot sight or irons; that would affect the answer somewhat!

For Irons:

I could see some advantages to using a "true" over-12 hold (ie, no black at all showing) as that would at least have the advantages of being an area hold.

If, however, one was considering the use of the "peek a boo hold" with the top edge of the target bobbing up and down over hte front post, well, that would be a different matter. In that case we would have all the disadvantages (already mentioned ) of the center hold, with the added disadvantage of being a "point hold" (or "Oh No Yank At It" or "Snatch It" hold).

Then again, this raises the whole argument and misconceptions of just what constitutes "aiming" vs. "holding" vs. "pointing" etc. and how a shot is properly released using the align-accept-release method of the shot.

99 THE HARD WAY · Post by **99 THE HARD WAY** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:45 pm

If your sights are bobbing up and down you need to do some holding drills.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:51 pm

Doesn't matter who you are your sights move and that was the point Steve was making.