FP60

Guest with inquiring mind · Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:45 pm

I am considering a FP 60 and was wondering if any one out there has one and may have any comments. I am quite aware that the "old" Hammerli is long gone, and that these are made by Walther (Germany) I believe. Kind of have a desire to get a new free pistol and was strongly considering one of these. So lets hear what you guys think out there,,,,,,who has one and can speak about it,,,,,good and bad both welcome.

6string · Post by **6string** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 5:55 pm

Have you checked the website for Larry Carter (www.larrysguns.com) ? I think he has them in stock as there was a customer review (quite positive!) recently posted there with the item description. I have no first hand experience with them, but like you, am anxious to hear what the scoop is.

Ernie Rodriguez · Post by **Ernie Rodriguez** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:09 pm

I think before a person spends that kind of money for a target pistol they should wait awhile and see if any adverse problems show up.The pistol is too new for that kind of info to show up at this time.Just my opinion.

dbl · Post by **dbl** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:31 pm

Well...I have shot one. On five minute loan from a friend who recently purchased it.

Pros - Comes with a trireversible front sight. This feature obviates the need to purchase multiple front sights and more than offsets the price of purchase.

DENNIS

pohaus · Post by **pohaus** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:07 am

Well, I have a FP. It features the standard front sight. Works with me.

Other (more) important factors of consideration are subjective ergometry, user friendliness, (long time) quality of trigger unit, reliability of components, and accuracy.
Accuracy is satisfactory at all high end FPs, I believe.

Another very desicive factor is the color of the transport case in which the pistol arrives!
I do not like the "off white"/gritty grey color of the Walther SSP pistol case. No, the Walther SSP is not a FP, I know that. Just had to comment upon that ugly pistol case. For that reason I will not buy an SSP:-)
Are the SSPs arriving in black boxes now, you said?
A major improvement, if that is true.

Fred Mannis · Post by **Fred Mannis** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:19 am

dbl wrote:Well...I have shot one. On five minute loan from a friend who recently purchased it.

Pros - Comes with a trireversible front sight. This feature obviates the need to purchase multiple front sights and more than offsets the price of purchase.

DENNIS

Hi Dennis.

Well, it is a bit more than the Morini and $200 more than the Pardini.
Noted your comment on its weight vs the Morini. Larry doesn't provide any spec info. You have held my Pardini; how does the FP 60 feel compared to the K22?

Fred

Reinhamre · Post by **Reinhamre** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:26 am

I too have a FP but a FP60!
I have had 2 Morini 84E and 2 FP10

If I had to pick and choose it will be a FP60! If I was to start shooting FP I think a TOZ is the right start, because of the price tag. When you know that this is what you will spend 10 hrs a week training then... If money is not the issue and you like the challenge I can recommend the FP60 It is not so NEW, the 160 Special has the same grip!
The trigger blade may seem odd but you can take one from a Styer LP10 and play with, you will soon change back again. Trigger is easy to understand and you can see what does what. I have a RINK grip this season.

Kent

Guest with inquiring mind · Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:43 am

I looked at the photos on Larry's web site, which to me are poor to say the least. Anyhow, it appears that the trigger "blade" appears to be round? Am I seeing this correctly? I know if I call up there I will be told it's the best thing since sliced bread. That's why I like to hear real shooters opinions.

Ernie Rodriguez · Post by **Ernie Rodriguez** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:32 pm

Guest-As with any product of this nature-I would strongly URGE you to, at least handle this pistol and dry fire it.This way you can tell to some degree if you like all aspects of pistol.

Reinhamre · Post by **Reinhamre** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:14 pm

Guest with inquiring mind wrote:I looked at the photos on Larry's web site, which to me are poor to say the least. Anyhow, it appears that the trigger "blade" appears to be round? Am I seeing this correctly?

Yes, it is round with a O-ring that can be set at different high as you feel is best. Best triggerblade I ever had. Have seen it on rifle.

Kent

dbl · Post by **dbl** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:00 pm

Hi Fred - As usual, I was trying to insert a little humor. I generally believe the high cost of something new is not balanced by significant gains in scores. That being said, the Walther-Hammerli FP60 seems finished and constructed nicely as it should be. It fired every time a round was loaded and the trigger pressed inward. Accuracy? All of these free pistols come with sub-10 ring test groups. Not many people shooting that way.

If I recall correctly, it comes with choice of two grip sizes only. The one I tried was too large and I couldn't get a "normal" relaxed hold. Therefore, I couldn't gauge the balance very well. I tend to think that weight is less of a meaningful factor than is balance in the hand, especially when shooting for an extended time period. Your modified free pistol is lighter than my Morini and had a good balance as my memory goes. I know you like it! My philosophy, not that it means anything to anybody, is get something you enjoy, keep it a long time, and get to know it until it becomes a part of yourself.

Dennis

Neil Foster · Post by **Neil Foster** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:52 pm

Hi folks,
Well I am the guy who posted the two reviews on Larry Carter's web site. I purchased the first one he had. Unfortunately after I received it the price went up about $200. because the US Dollar "tanked" against the Euro. Regarding the trigger, yes it is round and the "O" ring can be moved to suit the finger position you want as a memory device. This way you touch the trigger in the same way each time. The trigger is what you would expect from a high end gun like a Hammerli, it is superb. Larry tweaked it a bit as to my request. The proof/test target group is what you would expect from a Hammerli. Although now owned by Umarex/Walther in Germany my frame is plainly marked Hammerli Switzerland. I suspect the folks at Walther had a run of receivers made before the acquisition and transfer to Walther. The finish is superb (no surprise there). The only negative is the factory grip. They make a large and a small one. So unless you have a really small hand, or a very big one you will not like the factory grip. The first thing I did was order a RINK grip from Larry, what an incredible difference. It is a joy to shoot. The rake is adjustable, and I like minimal rake. As mentioned in another post it takes the same grip as the 160/162. The RINK grip is a work of art, and easily adjustable in different planes. Do I like the FP 60? No, I love it! It has great balance, and feels great. The trigger is easily adjusted. The grip makes the difference, so plan on replacing the factory one. It is funny my 1972 Hammerli 107 had the same awful type grips (I think made for King Kong) I still have it and shoot it, but it now also sports RINK grips. It is a great gun and of course is more accurate than this old man can shoot it. My shooting friend Dennis L. shot it and really liked the trigger, and he is a Morini man.
Regards, think 10.9 (shoot 'em too)
Neil

Reinhamre · Post by **Reinhamre** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:41 am

Neil Foster wrote: The only negative is the factory grip. They make a large and a small one. ......The rake is adjustable, and I like minimal rake. Neil

Hi,
The FP60 had a Morini grip when I saw a new one for sale 2007 so it may have changed now. Only the rake is adjustable on a FP60.
You can remove the rod with the weight and then it is rather light. At least with a RINK grip it is not as bulky as a 84E.

Kent

Neil Foster · Post by **Neil Foster** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 8:36 am

Hello Kent,
Correct the rake is adjustable on the FP 60, with the RINK grip it is still adjustable. In addition you also have all the adjustments of the RINK grip, which is superb.
Neil

Mellberg · Post by **Mellberg** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:54 pm

I have a FP60 at home right now that I have tested for a couple of intense days (some 350rds on sius) and I must say I like it very much. With the balance weights from the FP10 the FP60 is a really sweet gun when it comes to handling. The balance is much better than on my CM84E. I also like the trigger. A little odd in at start, but after just a couple of shots it felt nice. Grip rake is adjustable, trigger is adjustable... everything is adjustable! The sights are exactly the same as my AP40, both front and rear.

Reinhamre · Post by **Reinhamre** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:13 pm

Nice, Mellberg!
If I remember right, you were a bit skeptic about the FP60 last year?
I have bought the original balance weights for the FP60but do not use them.
Good shooting, the 395 in AP!
Kent

Mellberg · Post by **Mellberg** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:14 am

Ah yes, I ran a test two years ago without any counterweights and compared to the FP10 it felt very "flimsy". But as I said here, a little more patience and the weights and voilá - a very rigid feeling.

Thank you, the 395 was a real punch. Started of with 6-7 tens in the sighters, switched to the match targets and immediately shot a pretty uggly nine. Like 9,2 or something. Then all hell broke loose, I think I shot 23 or 24 tens in a row. When the match was over I had 99 100 98 98 - 395. A very nice feeling. Needless to say, our team won that match. =) 1157p I think.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:57 am

Mellberg wrote:Ah yes, I ran a test two years ago without any counterweights and compared to the FP10 it felt very "flimsy". But as I said here, a little more patience and the weights and voilá - a very rigid feeling.

Thank you, the 395 was a real punch. Started of with 6-7 tens in the sighters, switched to the match targets and immediately shot a pretty uggly nine. Like 9,2 or something. Then all hell broke loose, I think I shot 23 or 24 tens in a row. When the match was over I had 99 100 98 98 - 395. A very nice feeling. Needless to say, our team won that match. =) 1157p I think.

Congratualations very nice shooting.

Steve Swartz · Post by **Steve Swartz** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:36 am

Mellberg:

Fantastic AP shooting! What was it like at the end . . . did you have a strong desire to just keep shooting? Did you take any breaks during the match; if so, when? What do you think was the single factor that made that match different from less successful days?

Hmmm . . . extrapolation would suggest you had a 590+ in you that day!

Steve

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:39 am

Mellberg wrote:Then all hell broke loose, I think I shot 23 or 24 tens in a row. When the match was over I had 99 100 98 98 - 395.

"When you're shooting well, it's easy to shoot well", but that's just abusing the privilege ;-)

Fantastic shooting.

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