25m RFP Proposed changes

[ghostrip]

Unfortunately its only for Athletes with ISSF ID. we mortals dont have a say in this ... :(
I hope this vote is not used as an excuse to out RFP from Olympics like they did to FP.

[Gwhite]

This strikes me as a bit of a rigged vote. Given that RFP is currently an Olympic event, a lot of the male ISSF members probably have a significant training, equipment & time investment in RFP. In terms of Olympic pistol shooters, the only other men would be air pistol competitors, who may not care that much one way or another. I have no idea how many male ISSF members are active competitors, vs coaches, past competitors, etc.

[j-team]

At least in biathalon, they still shoot real rifles. Pentathalon's laser pistols are a sad joke....

100% Agree!

[Azmodan]

as long as you have an ISSF ID, you can vote. even if you participated in the 70s.

to check this, go to https://www.issf-sports.org/athletes, type your name and, if your card comes up, click on it and then, from the address bar, copy the last part - that is your ISSF ID

This strikes me as a bit of a rigged vote. Given that RFP is currently an Olympic event, a lot of the male ISSF members probably have a significant training, equipment & time investment in RFP. In terms of Olympic pistol shooters, the only other men would be air pistol competitors, who may not care that much one way or another. I have no idea how many male ISSF members are active competitors, vs coaches, past competitors, etc.

[Grippy]

This strikes me as a bit of a rigged vote. Given that RFP is currently an Olympic event, a lot of the male ISSF members probably have a significant training, equipment & time investment in RFP. In terms of Olympic pistol shooters, the only other men would be air pistol competitors, who may not care that much one way or another. I have no idea how many male ISSF members are active competitors, vs coaches, past competitors, etc.

Don't plenty of international LP shooters also compete in Center Fire? I'd expect that overlap to be way bigger than people that do LP and RF. To them having a second "plausible" event should be beneficial an I'd assume there are more of those than RF specialists.

[Bret P]

Sorry everyone you'll have to educate me.
Is free pistol the same as sport pistol. Live rounds, light trigger, rap around grips? If not whats the difference please?
Thank you

[Gwhite]

Sport Pistol is a 25 meter event, currently shot by women in the Olympics. It is basically a .22 version of International Centerfire. The qualifier consists two stages, "Precision" and "Rapid Fire". Each stage consists of six 5-shot strings.

"Precision" is fired on the 25 meter Precision target, which is the same as the 50 meter free pistol target. You get 5 minutes for each string of 5 shots.

Sport "Rapid Fire" is six 5 -shot strings fired on a target which is basically a very large "black", with much wider scoring rings than the precision target. Each string is fired one shot at a time from the "ready position" (arm down at 45 degrees). You get a 7 second "attention" period, followed by a 3 second period to lift and fire one shot. This is followed by alternating 7-second periods to come back to the "ready" position, and 3-second firing times. At no time may you rest the pistol on the bench.

Here are images of the 50 foot scaled down targets used by many US college teams:





In the OIympics, there is a "Final" based on who does well in the Qualifier. They keep changing the format for the finals, and I don't recall what the current rules are.

[Bret P]

Thank you. More complicated then I thought.

[Azmodan]

here is a video explanation for center fire pistol. sport pistol is exactly the same, but shot with .22LR instead or .32/9mm
https://youtu.be/_5NZX9cdL9Q

i think most air pistol / free pistol shooters would prefer sport pistol (me included) - more commonality in training.

[KZMNT]

here is a video explanation for center fire pistol. sport pistol is exactly the same, but shot with .22LR instead or .32/9mm
https://youtu.be/_5NZX9cdL9Q

i think most air pistol / free pistol shooters would prefer sport pistol (me included) - more commonality in training.

I agree with you, it's a more accessible category for air pistol shooters looking to move into other categories, and it simplifies things on an organizational level as well. It also opens up cool new opportunities like a mixed team event. From a spectating perspective, 10m AP events and its mixed equivalents can be real nail biters, and they're pretty easy to follow even if you aren't very familiar with the sport.

[Mk4Zero]

I see ISSF voting ends Feb 6 and it isn’t the final say on what’s to come

Does anyone know when they actually decide to keep or change 25RFP?

I want to know so I can get an order for a Pardini in sooner vs later

[Mike M.]

Order the pistol. You can use it for RF or SP.

[JamesH]

I see ISSF voting ends Feb 6 and it isn’t the final say on what’s to come

Does anyone know when they actually decide to keep or change 25RFP?

I want to know so I can get an order for a Pardini in sooner vs later

From what little I know about the ISSF my guess is they have already decided that its going to be 25m Sport and the 'vote' is window dressing.

Free and RF are already ancient history and irrelevant to the average club shooter.
25m Sport is at least something the average shooter can get behind and see themselves competing in.

[Bret P]

Hi all,

I'm concentrating on 10m AP to get to a very high standard. When the time comes to introduce 25m sport, where in the UK can you practice this. I know pistol are illegal, so what I'm really asking, is what do UK live round pistol shooters do, keep their guns in Germany, Holland and practice there?

This is a really informative thread, thank you everyone for sharing.
Bret

[j-team]

From what little I know about the ISSF my guess is they have already decided that its going to be 25m Sport and the 'vote' is window dressing.

Agree. They will announce the decision by stating "After consulting the athletes..."

[Mike M.]

I agree that it's a done deal. I'm not sure it's a bad deal. RF bays are scarce, and there's no real possibility of a competitor owning a portable one. A single turning target is far easier to procure.

[David M]

It will be very easy for the Rapidfire shooters to transition to Sport Pistol, they can use the same pistol, same ammo.
Most rapidfire shooters I know also shoot some Airpistol as a training gun so the precision half should be no problem.
Their training for the rapidfire section is basically the same as the lift and first shot of 8's run, just do it 5 times.
Sport Pistol/Centrefire has a lot more shooters around the world than Rapidfire.
I voted for sport.

[Ramon OP]

The rapid fire shooters I know also shoot sport pistol. Just like many women that shoot sport pistol also shoot 5 target rapid fire. The split of different events among genders is absurd. Luckily at least some national federations allow for all genders to participate in all events in the same conditions

[j-team]

The split of different events among genders is absurd.

Why can't they be different?

[KZMNT]

The split of different events among genders is absurd.

Why can't they be different?

Because both genders already compete in both disciplines at the more regional level, and are both equally interested in each discipline. Instead I would ask the opposite, why not open up access to everyone? The separation is rather random anyway.