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Which model Anschütz?
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Which model Anschütz?
Hi, I do a lot of shooting but I'm not so familiar with smallbore rifles. This is for sale locally and I'm wondering if it will fit a 2313 stock that I have on another rifle? Could anyone suggest what it is please? I'm also wondering where the bolt handle has gone lol. FWIW the advert mentions it is fitted with a Winzeler electronic trigger. Hoping it may give me an excuse for some winter training.
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Re: Which model Anschütz?
Steve,
What you have there is a bitsa: bits of this, and bits of that.
The receiver, judging by the serial no, is a 1988-89 vintage 1913; it could have left the factory with as the lighter barreled 1907, but we'll never know as the barrel has been replaced.
It's not just the bolt handle that is absent, but the whole bolt. That's a cleaning rod guide in the receiver.
The stock is a little older I think; my best guess is an 1813, possibly mid-late production based on the butt hardware. Initially I thought it was a Neal Johnson fibreglass, but now I think the fore-end has just been slimmed and tapered, and the whole thing painted. I don't think it's a 1913 stock as the profile along the barrel channel is different, with no evidence of the vents. A 1613 stock would be more rounded at the top.
In short, yes the barrel action would fit a 2213 stock, or the square-inlet 2313 with the factory round-to-square adaptor. Unless the bolt is found, this may be expensive though; a new bolt is not cheap.
What you have there is a bitsa: bits of this, and bits of that.
The receiver, judging by the serial no, is a 1988-89 vintage 1913; it could have left the factory with as the lighter barreled 1907, but we'll never know as the barrel has been replaced.
It's not just the bolt handle that is absent, but the whole bolt. That's a cleaning rod guide in the receiver.
The stock is a little older I think; my best guess is an 1813, possibly mid-late production based on the butt hardware. Initially I thought it was a Neal Johnson fibreglass, but now I think the fore-end has just been slimmed and tapered, and the whole thing painted. I don't think it's a 1913 stock as the profile along the barrel channel is different, with no evidence of the vents. A 1613 stock would be more rounded at the top.
In short, yes the barrel action would fit a 2213 stock, or the square-inlet 2313 with the factory round-to-square adaptor. Unless the bolt is found, this may be expensive though; a new bolt is not cheap.
Last edited by Tim S on Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Which model Anschütz?
Thanks Tim, that's a great help. No wonder I was scratching my head. I'm assuming the bolt is around as it's not mentioned as missing, but will certainly check. The replacement barrel is a Shilen. Not sure is that adds value or not, but the main interest for me would be being able to switch it in and out of the 2313 stock so I can train through the winter. The seller is asking the equivalent of £700 with the accessories shown. Would you say that sounds about right?
Re: Which model Anschütz?
Steve,
£700 isn't outrageous, but it's not the bargain of the century. IMO, a Shilen barrel doesn't add any value because it's a Shilen, but it does effectively make the rifle a few years younger, which is good. If I was looking to buy this, I'd want to know when it was fitted, who fitted it, and how much use it has seen since. One fitted by a good 'smith (eg John Sims or Callum Fergusson of Precision Rifle Services) that has had 5k through it in total will be worth more than one that's seen 5K annually for 30 years.
If you can ask for a photo of the trigger. I can't remember how large the Winzeller is with its battery, and am now having second thoughts about it fitting a 2313 stock. From memory the Winzeller was designed in the 1980s/'90s when stocks were wood with fixed grips, so it was easier to accomodate a battery.
If the bolt isn't present walk away. You'll pay several hundred for a replacement; I was quoted almost £200 for a handle a year or so back, and a firing pin/spring is £70-ish.
£700 isn't outrageous, but it's not the bargain of the century. IMO, a Shilen barrel doesn't add any value because it's a Shilen, but it does effectively make the rifle a few years younger, which is good. If I was looking to buy this, I'd want to know when it was fitted, who fitted it, and how much use it has seen since. One fitted by a good 'smith (eg John Sims or Callum Fergusson of Precision Rifle Services) that has had 5k through it in total will be worth more than one that's seen 5K annually for 30 years.
If you can ask for a photo of the trigger. I can't remember how large the Winzeller is with its battery, and am now having second thoughts about it fitting a 2313 stock. From memory the Winzeller was designed in the 1980s/'90s when stocks were wood with fixed grips, so it was easier to accomodate a battery.
If the bolt isn't present walk away. You'll pay several hundred for a replacement; I was quoted almost £200 for a handle a year or so back, and a firing pin/spring is £70-ish.
Re: Which model Anschütz?
That's an excellent point about the trigger fitting a 2313, thanks. It ups the risk enough that I'm going to walk away as it would require a long drive to find out for sure. Do you happen to know which actions will drop into the 2313 stock without an adapter? I will search for one of those instead.
Re: Which model Anschütz?
Steve,
As far as I'm aware the only common drop-in* for a 2313 is the action it was made for: the Anschutz 2013. I'll lump in the the 2007, and 2007-13, as these are exactly the same action as the 2013, just with different length barrels.
In terms of other make, I believe Bleiker Challenger need a little tweaking but have been fitted successfully. I don't know of any Grunig Racers in 2313s, as the stock was out of production before the G& E came onto the market, but I imagine it would be a similar job to a Bleiker. Other flat-based actions would be possible, but would likely require more work, for instance a Walther KK200/300 would possibly need material removed the trigger, and new bedding bolt holes. Unless you can do the work yourself (or for beer), or get a barrel-action at a stupidly low price I doubt it will be cost-effective.
*I suspect Vaclav Harman's Vaskent H2010 has an identical footprint to a 2013, but I doubt there are any in the UK.
As far as I'm aware the only common drop-in* for a 2313 is the action it was made for: the Anschutz 2013. I'll lump in the the 2007, and 2007-13, as these are exactly the same action as the 2013, just with different length barrels.
In terms of other make, I believe Bleiker Challenger need a little tweaking but have been fitted successfully. I don't know of any Grunig Racers in 2313s, as the stock was out of production before the G& E came onto the market, but I imagine it would be a similar job to a Bleiker. Other flat-based actions would be possible, but would likely require more work, for instance a Walther KK200/300 would possibly need material removed the trigger, and new bedding bolt holes. Unless you can do the work yourself (or for beer), or get a barrel-action at a stupidly low price I doubt it will be cost-effective.
*I suspect Vaclav Harman's Vaskent H2010 has an identical footprint to a 2013, but I doubt there are any in the UK.
Re: Which model Anschütz?
Many thanks Tim, I will start with a search for a 2013 or 2007 for simplicity's sake. Thank you again for the advice.