: It's a picture of the rig, not the process.
: Rotating the barrel to vertical oddly the results are the same, no discharge.
If the string is still going through the hole, and not therfore applying vertical pressure to the trigger, then it's not at all odd that the results are the same. I'm afraid they are still wrong.
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Trigger adjustment on an IZH?
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GaryN
Re: Trigger adjustment on an IZH?
I counted it out 9 stacks of 10 US quarters = 510 grams (on my scale). This is not to say that my scale is dead on accurate, it might not be.
Maybe someone knows what the spec weight is for a quarter.
Gary
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Maybe someone knows what the spec weight is for a quarter.
Gary
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GaryN
Re: Here's a picture
Len
Make a BIG loop, so the loop will go over the trigger and around both sides of the frame, coming together well behind the frame. With the barrel vertical, the string needs to hang vertical from the center of the trigger. The string should not rub against anything, as that would add friction/drag which would affect your results.
I don't know what the IZH-46 trigger has, but my CPM1 has a trigger shoe with a groove in it. I put the string into that groove.
Gary
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Make a BIG loop, so the loop will go over the trigger and around both sides of the frame, coming together well behind the frame. With the barrel vertical, the string needs to hang vertical from the center of the trigger. The string should not rub against anything, as that would add friction/drag which would affect your results.
I don't know what the IZH-46 trigger has, but my CPM1 has a trigger shoe with a groove in it. I put the string into that groove.
Gary
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GaryN
angled shoe?
I've seen this before but, now I have a question for all the high scoring shooters. On Len's trigger the shoe is angled to the right, so the finger is resting on a surface that is not perpendicular to the barrel but angled. Is this a problem?
I have a shoe on my Walther CPM1 that is molded with a similar left/right slope. I found that it was unconciously causing me to push the trigger to the left. My finger was pushing into the flat of the shoe. I had to grind the shoe so it had a flat surface, perpendicular to the barrel.
Gary
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I have a shoe on my Walther CPM1 that is molded with a similar left/right slope. I found that it was unconciously causing me to push the trigger to the left. My finger was pushing into the flat of the shoe. I had to grind the shoe so it had a flat surface, perpendicular to the barrel.
Gary
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Len
wrong again
you can go vertical with the string NOT touching anything. The most important issue is you can't do it with the grips on.
Grips on, no go...grips off...very easy to do.
Try yours and see.
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Grips on, no go...grips off...very easy to do.
Try yours and see.
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Len
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Len
Hey RC here's a link
MEC is a company that makes lots of different rifle and shooting supplies.
I have several of their stocks and most of my guns, except the FWB's, have MEC triggers.
Retail on them is somewhere near $90. They say Anschutz, Walther and FWB...but I think a couple work on a couple different rifles. My LG 100 has a MEC trigger, so does my older 10P and so does my 91. Basically they just slide right on the rod, or in the case of the IZH, it clamps on...the one for the steyr works on the IZH also.
I am sure Scott could get you one if need be.
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I have several of their stocks and most of my guns, except the FWB's, have MEC triggers.
Retail on them is somewhere near $90. They say Anschutz, Walther and FWB...but I think a couple work on a couple different rifles. My LG 100 has a MEC trigger, so does my older 10P and so does my 91. Basically they just slide right on the rod, or in the case of the IZH, it clamps on...the one for the steyr works on the IZH also.
I am sure Scott could get you one if need be.
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TJ
Re: Hey RC here's a link
Who sells MEC products in the USA? Internet address?
Thanks!
: MEC is a company that makes lots of different rifle and shooting supplies.
: I have several of their stocks and most of my guns, except the FWB's, have MEC triggers.
: Retail on them is somewhere near $90. They say Anschutz, Walther and FWB...but I think a couple work on a couple different rifles. My LG 100 has a MEC trigger, so does my older 10P and so does my 91. Basically they just slide right on the rod, or in the case of the IZH, it clamps on...the one for the steyr works on the IZH also.
: I am sure Scott could get you one if need be.
shootingsports-at-ev1.net.48427.48426
Thanks!
: MEC is a company that makes lots of different rifle and shooting supplies.
: I have several of their stocks and most of my guns, except the FWB's, have MEC triggers.
: Retail on them is somewhere near $90. They say Anschutz, Walther and FWB...but I think a couple work on a couple different rifles. My LG 100 has a MEC trigger, so does my older 10P and so does my 91. Basically they just slide right on the rod, or in the case of the IZH, it clamps on...the one for the steyr works on the IZH also.
: I am sure Scott could get you one if need be.
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GaryN
Re: angled shoe?
Me I'm stuggling to break 90% with consistency in AP40 and AP60.
Unfortunately the Walther CPM1 does not have a rail that I can clamp different trigger blades onto. So I have to make do with what I have.
But it is because I'm stuggling that I'm looking for anything that could be hurting my basic technique.
At one point I had rotated the shoe so that the shoe was angled (when looking from the back) 11 oclock to 5 oclock. So my finger would contact the shoe at right angle. But I went back to having the shoe vertical.
Gary
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Unfortunately the Walther CPM1 does not have a rail that I can clamp different trigger blades onto. So I have to make do with what I have.
But it is because I'm stuggling that I'm looking for anything that could be hurting my basic technique.
At one point I had rotated the shoe so that the shoe was angled (when looking from the back) 11 oclock to 5 oclock. So my finger would contact the shoe at right angle. But I went back to having the shoe vertical.
Gary
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GaryN
difference to ISSF rules
My method of quarters in a bag with a string is a "cheap, quick and dirty" method.
The ISSF rule specify a weight with a knife blade edge where the weight rests on the trigger. I don't know the physics of why a knife edge. But I figure the string is good enough for casual use. And if you add a little more weight, and push up to 525+ grams, I would think that should take care of any difference in how the weights behave on the trigger.
A friend suggested a method using a coat hanger wire bent to go around the grip. That makes it usable w/o having to remove the grip, as I have to with the string.
Gary
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The ISSF rule specify a weight with a knife blade edge where the weight rests on the trigger. I don't know the physics of why a knife edge. But I figure the string is good enough for casual use. And if you add a little more weight, and push up to 525+ grams, I would think that should take care of any difference in how the weights behave on the trigger.
A friend suggested a method using a coat hanger wire bent to go around the grip. That makes it usable w/o having to remove the grip, as I have to with the string.
Gary
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GaryN
Re: I think the MEC works with the Walther
I'll be darned, Stopper has a shoe for the CPM1.
The only thing is, I have a short trigger reach, and their shoe looks too thick. But it does give me something to think about.
thanks
Gary
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The only thing is, I have a short trigger reach, and their shoe looks too thick. But it does give me something to think about.
thanks
Gary
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Roland Cannon
Nice tip, thanks!
Just never made the connection on trying the Steyr shoe for the trigger. I imagine the FWB version would also work.
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tj
Re: difference to ISSF rules
: My method of quarters in a bag with a string is a "cheap, quick and dirty" method.
A bag full of pennies is cheaper! LOL!
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A bag full of pennies is cheaper! LOL!
shootingsports-at-ev1.net.48458.48430
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GaryN
Re: difference to ISSF rules
true
I just wanted something where I had the most weight w the least number of coins.
But you are true, a bag of pennies ties up less cash than a bag of quarters ($22.50).
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I just wanted something where I had the most weight w the least number of coins.
But you are true, a bag of pennies ties up less cash than a bag of quarters ($22.50).
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GaryN
Re: difference to ISSF rules
true
I just wanted something where I had the most weight w the least number of coins.
But you are true, a bag of pennies ties up less cash than a bag of quarters ($22.50).
.48466.48458
I just wanted something where I had the most weight w the least number of coins.
But you are true, a bag of pennies ties up less cash than a bag of quarters ($22.50).
.48466.48458
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David
Use a water bottle
: I counted it out 9 stacks of 10 US quarters = 510 grams (on my scale). This is not to say that my scale is dead on accurate, it might not be.
: Maybe someone knows what the spec weight is for a quarter.
: Gary
Try using a half-liter water bottle. The empty bottle weighs about 25gm and the water weighs 500gm.
donflew-at-mfx.net.48528.48411
: Maybe someone knows what the spec weight is for a quarter.
: Gary
Try using a half-liter water bottle. The empty bottle weighs about 25gm and the water weighs 500gm.
donflew-at-mfx.net.48528.48411
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Jeff
Smart guy! 1g water=1cubic milliliter of water=1cubic centim
(Hence half a liter of water weight half a kilogram, or the requisite 500g) Physics (and definitions of metric) pays off! Glad somebody remembered! (Hadn't thought about that in years!)
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