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Scan of IZH KhR-30 pistol from Yur' Yev book
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Mako
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Spencer C
A margolin by any other name?
Looks suspiciously like the margolin Standard pistols fropm the 1980s...
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Bob LeDoux
Re: Scan of IZH KhR-30 pistol from Yur' Yev book
Mako,
I'm glad to see you're reading that book. Have you seen anything more recent that covers the science of shooting? Sports science has gone a long ways in 40 years.
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I'm glad to see you're reading that book. Have you seen anything more recent that covers the science of shooting? Sports science has gone a long ways in 40 years.
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mako
Re: A margolin by any other name?
except Yev's book was copyrighted in 1973 ...
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Fortitudo Dei
Re: A margolin by any other name?
: Looks suspiciously like the margolin Standard pistols fropm the 1980s...
Well the one in top far-right does look like a Margolin - because it is. However the HD30 to the left of it (as it was kindly pointed out by Tom W) looks almost exactly like the FWB AW93, confirming the AW93's parentage. The under-barrel weight tapers slightly to the front so (as I thought) the HD30 wouldn’t have the two smaller recoil dampeners, but other than that, the profile is identical. Thanks Mako for posting the image.
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Well the one in top far-right does look like a Margolin - because it is. However the HD30 to the left of it (as it was kindly pointed out by Tom W) looks almost exactly like the FWB AW93, confirming the AW93's parentage. The under-barrel weight tapers slightly to the front so (as I thought) the HD30 wouldn’t have the two smaller recoil dampeners, but other than that, the profile is identical. Thanks Mako for posting the image.
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Bob LeDoux
Re: A margolin by any other name?
A lot of the material comes from the early 1960's. I don't know how many years it was actually in Russian text before the International copyright was granted.
: except Yev's book was copyrighted in 1973 ...
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: except Yev's book was copyrighted in 1973 ...
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Jay V
Re: Scan of IZH KhR-30 pistol from Yur' Yev book
: Someone was asking for a scan of this pistol from THE russian book ...
: Upper right corner ... left pistol ...
Hard to know how much of the designation was changed in translation, but it is interesting that they list it as an iZh, as it doesn't look like our current IZHs - much more like the FWB AW-93. It appears that Baikal made their own modifications to the design before making it available as the IJ/IZH-35M.
Jay
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: Upper right corner ... left pistol ...
Hard to know how much of the designation was changed in translation, but it is interesting that they list it as an iZh, as it doesn't look like our current IZHs - much more like the FWB AW-93. It appears that Baikal made their own modifications to the design before making it available as the IJ/IZH-35M.
Jay
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Fortitudo Dei
Mikhail Margolin
: Looks suspiciously like the margolin Standard pistols fropm the 1980s...
It's a bit older than that. The Margolin was designed by Mikhail Margolin in 1948 and made its international debut at the 36th World Champs held in 1954 at Caracas. They are still in production (our club just bought 6 of them as training pistols for new members) and are probably the best value newbie target pistol there is (we paid the equivilent of US $220 each).
To make the history of the pistol even more remarkable, Mikhail Margolin was blind.
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It's a bit older than that. The Margolin was designed by Mikhail Margolin in 1948 and made its international debut at the 36th World Champs held in 1954 at Caracas. They are still in production (our club just bought 6 of them as training pistols for new members) and are probably the best value newbie target pistol there is (we paid the equivilent of US $220 each).
To make the history of the pistol even more remarkable, Mikhail Margolin was blind.
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TomW
Re: Scan of IZH KhR-30 pistol from Yur' Yev book
: : Someone was asking for a scan of this pistol from THE russian book ...
: : Upper right corner ... left pistol ...
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: Hard to know how much of the designation was changed in translation, but it is interesting that they list it as an iZh, as it doesn't look like our current IZHs - much more like the FWB AW-93. It appears that Baikal made their own modifications to the design before making it available as the IJ/IZH-35M.
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: Jay
IZH is the designation given to any firearm made by the Izhevsky Mekhanichesky Zavod (more commonly known as Baikal), The letters IZH are the abbreviation for the first part of the plant's name. The town of Izhevsk is also abbreviated as Izh. This designation given to a firearm simply means it was manufactured at the above firm, as are motorbikes tractors etc also made there.
You can actually physically compare the IZH35 and the HR 30 (or KhR30 depending on how you pronounce the H which is actually a guttural sound in Russian - it simply stands for Professor Efim Haidurov's surname) by getting hold of an IZH35 or a Walther K100 (which is the IZH 35 made by Walther under licence from Baikal)and a FWB AW93. When he and Rasnaryov (I think that is how is spelt), made the first of these pistols, the early models were given the designation HR which was normal procedure for prototype and short run firearms and when the pistol went into production at Baikal it was given the new designation IZH 30.
However it was never on sale to foreign countries as I understand it but was reserved for members of the Soviet shooting team.
If you strip both pistols you will see that they are two totally different pistols in just about every respect - trigger mechanism, hammer module, barrel position, sights, buffers etc.
I imagine that Baikal made the IZH 35 because it was a far simpler pistol to manufacture and if it is based on the HR30 then it is a very loose relationship.
Be assured though that the two pistols are totally different from each other.
Also, I'm going to try one more time to include the cyrillic letters for IZH, which will appear on the side of the Russian made pistols, but I suspect it won't work this time either:
ÈÆ-35Ì .
Tom
twoodle1-at-bigpond.net.au.46989.46982
: : Upper right corner ... left pistol ...
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: Hard to know how much of the designation was changed in translation, but it is interesting that they list it as an iZh, as it doesn't look like our current IZHs - much more like the FWB AW-93. It appears that Baikal made their own modifications to the design before making it available as the IJ/IZH-35M.
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: Jay
IZH is the designation given to any firearm made by the Izhevsky Mekhanichesky Zavod (more commonly known as Baikal), The letters IZH are the abbreviation for the first part of the plant's name. The town of Izhevsk is also abbreviated as Izh. This designation given to a firearm simply means it was manufactured at the above firm, as are motorbikes tractors etc also made there.
You can actually physically compare the IZH35 and the HR 30 (or KhR30 depending on how you pronounce the H which is actually a guttural sound in Russian - it simply stands for Professor Efim Haidurov's surname) by getting hold of an IZH35 or a Walther K100 (which is the IZH 35 made by Walther under licence from Baikal)and a FWB AW93. When he and Rasnaryov (I think that is how is spelt), made the first of these pistols, the early models were given the designation HR which was normal procedure for prototype and short run firearms and when the pistol went into production at Baikal it was given the new designation IZH 30.
However it was never on sale to foreign countries as I understand it but was reserved for members of the Soviet shooting team.
If you strip both pistols you will see that they are two totally different pistols in just about every respect - trigger mechanism, hammer module, barrel position, sights, buffers etc.
I imagine that Baikal made the IZH 35 because it was a far simpler pistol to manufacture and if it is based on the HR30 then it is a very loose relationship.
Be assured though that the two pistols are totally different from each other.
Also, I'm going to try one more time to include the cyrillic letters for IZH, which will appear on the side of the Russian made pistols, but I suspect it won't work this time either:
ÈÆ-35Ì .
Tom
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TomW
Re: Scan of IZH KhR-30 pistol from Yur' Yev book
: : : Someone was asking for a scan of this pistol from THE russian book ...
: Also, I'm going to try one more time to include the cyrillic letters for IZH, which will appear on the side of the Russian made pistols, but I suspect it won't work this time either:
: ÈÆ-35Ì .
: Tom
Nope. Didn't work this time either. Sorry
Tom
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: Also, I'm going to try one more time to include the cyrillic letters for IZH, which will appear on the side of the Russian made pistols, but I suspect it won't work this time either:
: ÈÆ-35Ì .
: Tom
Nope. Didn't work this time either. Sorry
Tom
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SpencerC
Margolins as club guns
I can understand why you would use these pistols as club guns. I purchased two back around 1990 (one for the wife and one for the elder daughter).
They are simple (as in they looked like they had been assenbled and the final fit done by an over-vodka'ed housewife on a bad monday) but work magnificently on any brand of .22lr loaded into the magazine.
Accuracy is unbelievable, particularly when compared with pistols costing 5 times as much.
The smallish grip means that a gripmaker can make then up to fit any size hand.
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They are simple (as in they looked like they had been assenbled and the final fit done by an over-vodka'ed housewife on a bad monday) but work magnificently on any brand of .22lr loaded into the magazine.
Accuracy is unbelievable, particularly when compared with pistols costing 5 times as much.
The smallish grip means that a gripmaker can make then up to fit any size hand.
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Jay V
Re: Thanks for the clarification Tom - I think I am finally
: IZH is the designation given to any firearm made by the Izhevsky Mekhanichesky Zavod (more commonly known as Baikal), The letters IZH are the abbreviation for the first part of the plant's name. The town of Izhevsk is also abbreviated as Izh. This designation given to a firearm simply means it was manufactured at the above firm, as are motorbikes tractors etc also made there.
: You can actually physically compare the IZH35 and the HR 30 (or KhR30 depending on how you pronounce the H which is actually a guttural sound in Russian - it simply stands for Professor Efim Haidurov's surname) by getting hold of an IZH35 or a Walther K100 (which is the IZH 35 made by Walther under licence from Baikal)and a FWB AW93. When he and Rasnaryov (I think that is how is spelt), made the first of these pistols, the early models were given the designation HR which was normal procedure for prototype and short run firearms and when the pistol went into production at Baikal it was given the new designation IZH 30.
: However it was never on sale to foreign countries as I understand it but was reserved for members of the Soviet shooting team.
: If you strip both pistols you will see that they are two totally different pistols in just about every respect - trigger mechanism, hammer module, barrel position, sights, buffers etc.
: I imagine that Baikal made the IZH 35 because it was a far simpler pistol to manufacture and if it is based on the HR30 then it is a very loose relationship.
: Be assured though that the two pistols are totally different from each other.
: Also, I'm going to try one more time to include the cyrillic letters for IZH, which will appear on the side of the Russian made pistols, but I suspect it won't work this time either:
: ÈÆ-35Ì .
: Tom
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: You can actually physically compare the IZH35 and the HR 30 (or KhR30 depending on how you pronounce the H which is actually a guttural sound in Russian - it simply stands for Professor Efim Haidurov's surname) by getting hold of an IZH35 or a Walther K100 (which is the IZH 35 made by Walther under licence from Baikal)and a FWB AW93. When he and Rasnaryov (I think that is how is spelt), made the first of these pistols, the early models were given the designation HR which was normal procedure for prototype and short run firearms and when the pistol went into production at Baikal it was given the new designation IZH 30.
: However it was never on sale to foreign countries as I understand it but was reserved for members of the Soviet shooting team.
: If you strip both pistols you will see that they are two totally different pistols in just about every respect - trigger mechanism, hammer module, barrel position, sights, buffers etc.
: I imagine that Baikal made the IZH 35 because it was a far simpler pistol to manufacture and if it is based on the HR30 then it is a very loose relationship.
: Be assured though that the two pistols are totally different from each other.
: Also, I'm going to try one more time to include the cyrillic letters for IZH, which will appear on the side of the Russian made pistols, but I suspect it won't work this time either:
: ÈÆ-35Ì .
: Tom
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Val
Re: Scan of IZH KhR-30 pistol from Yur' Yev book
It looks fine here :)
You simply need to use appropriate encoding to view it properly.
IE->View->Encoding = Cyrillic(Windows)
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You simply need to use appropriate encoding to view it properly.
IE->View->Encoding = Cyrillic(Windows)
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TomW
Re: Scan of IZH KhR-30 pistol from Yur' Yev book
: It looks fine here :)
: You simply need to use appropriate encoding to view it properly.
: IE->View->Encoding = Cyrillic(Windows)
Thanks for the info Val. I failed The Net for Dummies, I'm afraid.
Regards
Tom
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: You simply need to use appropriate encoding to view it properly.
: IE->View->Encoding = Cyrillic(Windows)
Thanks for the info Val. I failed The Net for Dummies, I'm afraid.
Regards
Tom
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walt young
Re: Scan of IZH KhR-30 pistol from Yur' Yev book
My Romanian friend informed me that the KSP designation of the Walther stands for (K) Caspian (S) Sea Pistol.
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