I have just bought a new Morini 162EI. The cocking lever lock is engaging at 120-140 bar perssure, after about 80-100 shots. What is the problem with it and how do I solve it.
Thanks,
AD
akshaydashrath-at-yahoo.co.in.43508.0
Morini cocking lever lock engaging after 100 shots
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Benjamin McLeod
Re: Morini cocking lever lock engaging after 100 shots
The lock is directly connected to the regulator,
so the lock indicates that the regulator is full
open and no longer regulating. You can push the
lock back to open the loading gate and fire a few
more shots with no measurable change in point of
impact, if you only need a few to finish your set.
As long as it runs more shots than a match , you
don't have a problem - although that would not be
a problem either if you change cylinders.
If there is an adjustment, you could lower the
shot velocity to increase the number of shots
per fill. This should not only use less air per
shot, but also run on lower supply pressure
before the supply matches the regulated pressure.
Also, you can check the air pressure with some
other gage to make sure you are filling to the
full 200 bar. The gages in the cylinders are
rather cheap and should be considered rough
indications of full or empty, not accurate
pressure measurements.
bennnancy-at-erols.com.43510.43508
so the lock indicates that the regulator is full
open and no longer regulating. You can push the
lock back to open the loading gate and fire a few
more shots with no measurable change in point of
impact, if you only need a few to finish your set.
As long as it runs more shots than a match , you
don't have a problem - although that would not be
a problem either if you change cylinders.
If there is an adjustment, you could lower the
shot velocity to increase the number of shots
per fill. This should not only use less air per
shot, but also run on lower supply pressure
before the supply matches the regulated pressure.
Also, you can check the air pressure with some
other gage to make sure you are filling to the
full 200 bar. The gages in the cylinders are
rather cheap and should be considered rough
indications of full or empty, not accurate
pressure measurements.
bennnancy-at-erols.com.43510.43508
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AD
Re: Morini cocking lever lock engaging after 100 shots
Benjamin,
I fill my cylinder with a pump and the pump reading reads 200 shots, as I said earlier, the Morini is giving me only 100 shots, whijhc is 100 less than what the company claims. Thanks,
AD
.43511.43510
I fill my cylinder with a pump and the pump reading reads 200 shots, as I said earlier, the Morini is giving me only 100 shots, whijhc is 100 less than what the company claims. Thanks,
AD
.43511.43510
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Sam
Re: Morini cocking lever lock engaging after 100 shots
: Benjamin,
: I fill my cylinder with a pump and the pump reading reads 200 shots, as I said earlier, the Morini is giving me only 100 shots, whijhc is 100 less than what the company claims. Thanks,
: AD
There are two possible things:
1. The pressure gauge reading is not correct (this is normal for many Morini AP).
2. Each shot using too much air, like Benjamin said you have to adjust each shot to take less air (lower the shot velocity), then you will get more shot close to what you expect.
Sam
.43512.43511
: I fill my cylinder with a pump and the pump reading reads 200 shots, as I said earlier, the Morini is giving me only 100 shots, whijhc is 100 less than what the company claims. Thanks,
: AD
There are two possible things:
1. The pressure gauge reading is not correct (this is normal for many Morini AP).
2. Each shot using too much air, like Benjamin said you have to adjust each shot to take less air (lower the shot velocity), then you will get more shot close to what you expect.
Sam
.43512.43511
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AD
Re: Morini cocking lever lock engaging after 100 shots
Sam,
My pumps gauge is all right, so a wrong reading is out of the question. The pistol is brand new, I've fired about 120 shots with it, that is all, can the brand new pistol have velocity problems?
Thanks,
Akshay.
akshaydashrath-at-yahoo.co.in.43513.43512
My pumps gauge is all right, so a wrong reading is out of the question. The pistol is brand new, I've fired about 120 shots with it, that is all, can the brand new pistol have velocity problems?
Thanks,
Akshay.
akshaydashrath-at-yahoo.co.in.43513.43512
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pilkguns
are you sure about this statement
,
: I fill my cylinder with a pump and the pump reading reads 200 shots,
Because the pump only reads in Bar not in number of shots, of whihc 200 bar is a full cylinder. Normally you have to pump up to about 210-215 bar to get a full 200 in the cylinder by the time you disconnect the cylinder and bleed the pump after each fill.
I really don't think you have a problem from what you have described thus far
.43519.43511
: I fill my cylinder with a pump and the pump reading reads 200 shots,
Because the pump only reads in Bar not in number of shots, of whihc 200 bar is a full cylinder. Normally you have to pump up to about 210-215 bar to get a full 200 in the cylinder by the time you disconnect the cylinder and bleed the pump after each fill.
I really don't think you have a problem from what you have described thus far
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AD
Sorry, made a mistake, I fill the pump to 200bar
Sorry I meant to say that I fill the pump to 200 bar.
AD
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AD
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Steve Swartz
Re: Morini cocking lever lock engaging after 100 shots
If you are only filling your cylinder 2/3 full (200 bar instead of 300), you will only get somewhat less than about 1/2 the number of shots (gas laws aren't linear). YOur system is actually performing better than spec.
Fill your cylinder and you'll get the desired outcome.
Steve Swartz
: I have just bought a new Morini 162EI. The cocking lever lock is engaging at 120-140 bar perssure, after about 80-100 shots. What is the problem with it and how do I solve it.
: Thanks,
: AD
leslieswartz-at-erinet.com.43529.43508
Fill your cylinder and you'll get the desired outcome.
Steve Swartz
: I have just bought a new Morini 162EI. The cocking lever lock is engaging at 120-140 bar perssure, after about 80-100 shots. What is the problem with it and how do I solve it.
: Thanks,
: AD
leslieswartz-at-erinet.com.43529.43508
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David Levene
Morini cylinders are marked 200 bar maximum
Sorry about the strange postings above.
The subject line obviously doesnt like ""
dalevene-at-blueyonder.co.uk.43535.43529
The subject line obviously doesnt like ""
dalevene-at-blueyonder.co.uk.43535.43529
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Mako
? Steve ? .... cylinder is only good for 200 BAR ...
Not sure why you are making it sound like the Morini cylinders can be filled to 330 bar?
Apparently AD had a leaky new cylinder ... he got 170+ shots from his second cylinder.
: : I have just bought a new Morini 162EI. The cocking lever lock is engaging at 120-140 bar perssure, after about 80-100 shots. What is the problem with it and how do I solve it.
: : Thanks,
: : AD
makofoto-at-earthlink.net.43540.43529
Apparently AD had a leaky new cylinder ... he got 170+ shots from his second cylinder.
: : I have just bought a new Morini 162EI. The cocking lever lock is engaging at 120-140 bar perssure, after about 80-100 shots. What is the problem with it and how do I solve it.
: : Thanks,
: : AD
makofoto-at-earthlink.net.43540.43529
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Mako
should read "300," not "330" .nt
: Not sure why you are making it sound like the Morini cylinders can be filled to 330 bar?
: Apparently AD had a leaky new cylinder ... he got 170+ shots from his second cylinder.
: : : I have just bought a new Morini 162EI. The cocking lever lock is engaging at 120-140 bar perssure, after about 80-100 shots. What is the problem with it and how do I solve it.
: : : Thanks,
: : : AD
makofoto-at-earthlink.net.43543.43540
: Apparently AD had a leaky new cylinder ... he got 170+ shots from his second cylinder.
: : : I have just bought a new Morini 162EI. The cocking lever lock is engaging at 120-140 bar perssure, after about 80-100 shots. What is the problem with it and how do I solve it.
: : : Thanks,
: : : AD
makofoto-at-earthlink.net.43543.43540
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Fortitudo Dei
Re: Morini cylinders are marked 200 bar maximum
Not necessarily. My 162e is clearly marked 300 bar. However my scuba tank holds 230 bar maximum, so I have never got my Morini up to its maximum capacity.
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Mako
hmmm, Short ones marked 200 bar, or ...
My Morini Short air cylinders are marked 200 bar, 2900 psi max.
And my Survivair Tank is good to 300 bar ... :-)
makofoto-at-earthlink.net.43546.43545
And my Survivair Tank is good to 300 bar ... :-)
makofoto-at-earthlink.net.43546.43545
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David Levene
Re: hmmm, Short ones marked 200 bar, or ...
: My Morini Short air cylinders are marked 200 bar, 2900 psi max.
So are my long ones. Perhaps the 162E has a higher pressure cylinder than the EI.
dalevene-at-blueyonder.co.uk.43549.43546
So are my long ones. Perhaps the 162E has a higher pressure cylinder than the EI.
dalevene-at-blueyonder.co.uk.43549.43546
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LesJ
Re: Morini cylinders are marked 200 bar maximum
Is 300 number on the gauge or on the side of the tank?
My gauge show 300, but on the side is says 200 max.
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My gauge show 300, but on the side is says 200 max.
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Fortitudo Dei
Re: Morini cylinders are marked 200 bar maximum
: Is 300 number on the gauge or on the side of the tank?
: My gauge show 300, but on the side is says 200 max.
300bar on the decal stuck on the tank (the 162e has no gauge). I think as David Levene has pointed out, the older 162e model can take 300 bar, while the current 162ei only goes to 200.
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: My gauge show 300, but on the side is says 200 max.
300bar on the decal stuck on the tank (the 162e has no gauge). I think as David Levene has pointed out, the older 162e model can take 300 bar, while the current 162ei only goes to 200.
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David M
Number of shots
The shot velocity will dictate the rate of air consumption.
With the factory set velocity (approx 152-155 m/s) you should get 150 -160 shots before the cutout locks in (at approx. 80 bar remaining in the tank). With the velocity reduced the number of shots will increase.
My 162 short version set at 148m/s gives me 140-150 shots,when filled to 210 bar (approx 20 c.)
Now,
1/ Check your fill pressure (200-220 bar).
2/ Check your pellet speed over a chrono.
3/ Count the number of shots fired until lockout.
4/ Using a pump,check the pressure remaining in the tank. Pump slowly and you will see a quick build up of pressure until the tank starts to fill (needle appears to stop rising and you hear the tank valve filling).
5/ Note this pressure (approx 80 bar)
If the velocity is to high or cutout pressure is to high, the pistol will need an adjustment by a gunsmith who knows what he is doing.
You would adjust the velocity during pellet testing on a machine rest using a chronoghaph to achieve the best possible group for a particular pellet batch number. This is best left to the experts shooting at world cup/Olympic level, the gain is not worth the effort for club level shooting.
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With the factory set velocity (approx 152-155 m/s) you should get 150 -160 shots before the cutout locks in (at approx. 80 bar remaining in the tank). With the velocity reduced the number of shots will increase.
My 162 short version set at 148m/s gives me 140-150 shots,when filled to 210 bar (approx 20 c.)
Now,
1/ Check your fill pressure (200-220 bar).
2/ Check your pellet speed over a chrono.
3/ Count the number of shots fired until lockout.
4/ Using a pump,check the pressure remaining in the tank. Pump slowly and you will see a quick build up of pressure until the tank starts to fill (needle appears to stop rising and you hear the tank valve filling).
5/ Note this pressure (approx 80 bar)
If the velocity is to high or cutout pressure is to high, the pistol will need an adjustment by a gunsmith who knows what he is doing.
You would adjust the velocity during pellet testing on a machine rest using a chronoghaph to achieve the best possible group for a particular pellet batch number. This is best left to the experts shooting at world cup/Olympic level, the gain is not worth the effort for club level shooting.
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Warren
NO Morini should be filled over 200 BAR
Morini cylinders are TESTED to 300 BAR. Their operating pressure is 200 BAR. Always has been. Only Walther is designed to go to 300 BAR. For safety's sake please don't overfill your cylinders, the long-term effects could be very dangerous.
warren-at-pilkguns.com.43561.43529
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