Scatt Results, Cause and Correction
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Scatt Results, Cause and Correction
Periodically I like to spend my time plotting how I will become a better marksman. Today due to some California rain and a mid-day showing of Star Wars, I have decided to share one of my findings using the Scatt Shooter Training System.
To be clear I have no professional coaching experience. I am merely showing what I have learned tonight, how I learned it, and my plan to move forward with what could help me produce better results.
In the below Pictures you will notice I am focused on my speed chart. The blue line is consistent with all 9 charts because it is one of my better lines. I like to keep record of these better performance files because I use these as a tool to determine if changes are positive or negative.
December vs October
November/December vs October
Past vs October
I frequently hear not to worry about the score you receive on Scatt; however, a drastic change in my performance results started this search to see what need fixed. with the 6 random files since October 26th I found that my results were also an average of 4-6 points lower (using the decimal scoring). So after much effort I found that the single biggest change was here in my speed charts
As you can see in November and December I am approximately 35 to 40mm/Sec faster than October and my other files as far back as May.
At this point I have a time frame, the End of October! That is when my results and therefore my performance started to have a slight decline. As every shooter keeps a journal (If you don’t you should) I referred back to my October notes to see what if any changes I made could have this impact. As a result, I found 3.
1 & 2 are a result of one another, I started to use a new hand-stop (because of the color) and as a result I made a few tweaks to my sling.
3. I switched from the Old Legacy RS-232 Scatt to a modern MX-2
So either the MX-2 is recording more accurately or the changes to my hand-stop are a negative change.
Whatever the culprit, I have a lead and I will move forward testing those three theories to move forward and progress with my shooting performances. because I would like to go back to seeing more of this!
Sincerely,
SSgt Keating
To be clear I have no professional coaching experience. I am merely showing what I have learned tonight, how I learned it, and my plan to move forward with what could help me produce better results.
In the below Pictures you will notice I am focused on my speed chart. The blue line is consistent with all 9 charts because it is one of my better lines. I like to keep record of these better performance files because I use these as a tool to determine if changes are positive or negative.
December vs October
November/December vs October
Past vs October
I frequently hear not to worry about the score you receive on Scatt; however, a drastic change in my performance results started this search to see what need fixed. with the 6 random files since October 26th I found that my results were also an average of 4-6 points lower (using the decimal scoring). So after much effort I found that the single biggest change was here in my speed charts
As you can see in November and December I am approximately 35 to 40mm/Sec faster than October and my other files as far back as May.
At this point I have a time frame, the End of October! That is when my results and therefore my performance started to have a slight decline. As every shooter keeps a journal (If you don’t you should) I referred back to my October notes to see what if any changes I made could have this impact. As a result, I found 3.
1 & 2 are a result of one another, I started to use a new hand-stop (because of the color) and as a result I made a few tweaks to my sling.
3. I switched from the Old Legacy RS-232 Scatt to a modern MX-2
So either the MX-2 is recording more accurately or the changes to my hand-stop are a negative change.
Whatever the culprit, I have a lead and I will move forward testing those three theories to move forward and progress with my shooting performances. because I would like to go back to seeing more of this!
Sincerely,
SSgt Keating
Re: Scatt Results, Cause and Correction
I have been on a similar journey this year - firstly changing from a USB SCATT to the MX-02, which definitely produces more pessimistic numbers to the USB due (we think) to it's higher resolution (sample rate).
Previously, with the USB version I would use an F-coefficient of 40 - but to get similar percentages with the MX-02 I have dropped that to 30 (one of my colleagues uses 27).
I experimented with a lower sling position on the upper arm (doesn't work for me - MUCH more evident pulse) and I also changed back to an older Anschutz handstop for a while and performance again dropped off - longer traces, faster traces, worse hold/more pulse evident.
Reverting back to my MEC handstop and a high sling position (right up into my armpit) brought all the numbers back down to where I want them.
Looking at your speed traces and comparing them with mine, yours are very flat. With mine the heartbeat becomes very evident in trace a couple of seconds before the shot is released and the shot coincides with the drop in speed. Since 2011 I have been training very hard to release the shot in the still point between heartbeats as suggested on the SCATT website:
http://www.scatt.com/articles/17/pulse-technique/
and the consistency of my results has improved dramatically. For me, the trick was to find a "cue" that indicated when the heart was contracting, recognizing the rhythm and releasing on the "offbeat". Being a musician helps with this...
It's another thing to focus on during your triggering process but after a while it becomes semi-automatic.
Something to think about anyway.
Keep us posted and good luck,
Ken.
Previously, with the USB version I would use an F-coefficient of 40 - but to get similar percentages with the MX-02 I have dropped that to 30 (one of my colleagues uses 27).
I experimented with a lower sling position on the upper arm (doesn't work for me - MUCH more evident pulse) and I also changed back to an older Anschutz handstop for a while and performance again dropped off - longer traces, faster traces, worse hold/more pulse evident.
Reverting back to my MEC handstop and a high sling position (right up into my armpit) brought all the numbers back down to where I want them.
Looking at your speed traces and comparing them with mine, yours are very flat. With mine the heartbeat becomes very evident in trace a couple of seconds before the shot is released and the shot coincides with the drop in speed. Since 2011 I have been training very hard to release the shot in the still point between heartbeats as suggested on the SCATT website:
http://www.scatt.com/articles/17/pulse-technique/
and the consistency of my results has improved dramatically. For me, the trick was to find a "cue" that indicated when the heart was contracting, recognizing the rhythm and releasing on the "offbeat". Being a musician helps with this...
It's another thing to focus on during your triggering process but after a while it becomes semi-automatic.
Something to think about anyway.
Keep us posted and good luck,
Ken.
Re: Scatt Results, Cause and Correction
I assume Scatt was set up with 50 yard target
What f-coefficient did you use?
What f-coefficient did you use?
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Re: Scatt Results, Cause and Correction
All my training is Prone with Zero F-coefficient, and this is with the A-50 (ISSF 50 meter target)
I was wondering if anyone else had this type experience Kenny, the MX2 should definitely be faster, its not running through a printer cable to a USB adapter.KennyB wrote:I have been on a similar journey this year - firstly changing from a USB SCATT to the MX-02, which definitely produces more pessimistic numbers to the USB due (we think) to it's higher resolution (sample rate).
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Re: Scatt Results, Cause and Correction
I dont think changing F changes speed graph. You can change F after you shoot and see where the holes move
Re: Scatt Results, Cause and Correction
I personally know of three other people (all of whom I have discussed this with) who have had the same experience.Thedrifter wrote:I was wondering if anyone else had this type experience Kenny, the MX2 should definitely be faster, its not running through a printer cable to a USB adapter.
One of them emailed SCATT about it.
BTW, did you really take 49.4 seconds on aim for shot 32 in the string you posted?
K.
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Re: Scatt Results, Cause and Correction
Probably,KennyB wrote: BTW, did you really take 49.4 seconds on aim for shot 32 in the string you posted?
there may have been a shot rejected their too.
now i gotta check...