Ammunition of choice for LP10

conradin · Post by **conradin** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:49 pm

I am about to receive an LP10 sometimes next week. Previously I use RWS Meisterkugeln Professional Line for a Walther and I like it. What is the recommend pallets for the LP10? I'd like to know which is good for practicing, and which one is good for competition, so that I can purchase both. If my current RWS is good enough, then I'll keep them since I still have two cans left. But after that I will switch to the recommended choice.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:15 pm

The best pellets are the ones that suit your specific gun best.

All high quality will give you respectable results. Specific batches of specific brands will give you the best results. Nobody can tell you which batch, size or brand will be the best in your gun without testing.

You ask which are good for practice and which are good for competition. Why do you think there might be a difference. If you don't use the best pellets for practice then how will you know whether the shot placement is down to you or the pellet.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:52 pm

Do a search on here.

Every post will say the same thing; "I dunno!"

BUT, I will say; "Use RWS Basic pellets because they're cheap!"

j-team · Post by **j-team** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:10 pm

I think you will find any .177 wadcutter from any known manufacturer will be OK to get you to 580ish scores.

Once you are shooting 580, start batch testing.

John Marchant · Post by **John Marchant** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:18 pm

As a good starting point, have a look at the test diagram issued with the pistol. The manufacturer might not indicate what make of pellet that was used, however they will normally mention the size that was used i.e. 4.48mm, 4.49mm or 4.50mm.
Whatever pellet you choose, it would be best to purchase them the same size as the test pellets. That at least will get you somewhere near.
The only way that you are going to be able to evaluate your results will be to try different make and grades.
Some people prefer the heavier air rifle pellets for the LP10 as it is claimed that these will give a flatter flight trajectory and some prefer the air pistol pellets.
If you are using the very light ones like RWS R10, then the muzzle velocity may be a little bit high and likewise if you use the heavy air rifle pellets the muzzle velocity may be a little low. It all depends what the pistol has been set up with.
Only start tinkering with adjusting the muzzle velocity if you are really confident in what you are doing.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:16 pm

Since all RWS pellets are apparently 4.50, that will narrow things down a bit.

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:43 pm

Rover wrote:Since all RWS pellets are apparently 4.50, that will narrow things down a bit.

??
From the RWS website
The RWS Meisterkugeln are available in calibres 4.5 and 5.5 mm with four different head diameters

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Fri Jun 08, 2012 9:11 pm

Try to buy them.

Gwhite · Post by **Gwhite** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:50 pm

Maybe not RWS, but you can H&N in 4.49 mm from Pyramyd, and Vogel from our host. The difficulty of buying RWS in other than 4.5 mm appears to be a US thing. There are lots of places that sell them in England & Australia.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:27 pm

Well. since the test target is shot with whatever pellet happens to be on the table, and you can't buy them anyway I guess it's irrelevant.

Lots of posts on here, including several by me, that go into some detail on the subject.

Bottom line: test them yourself. Anything else is just drinking the Kool-Ade, but I think J-team has it right in his post above.

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:53 am

I just use H&N with mine in 4.50. I know others use different. I've tried rws and 4.49 of H&N but not noticed any difference but then I never tested properly to compare. I'd suggest you try what you have before considering switching as it won't make a massive difference.

Rob.

deadeyedick · Post by **deadeyedick** » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:27 pm

I believe most shooters worry far too much regarding pellett choice/size.
I took the trouble of clamping my LP10 and testing various brands indoors at 10 m. firing five shots at a time. The results varied from a one shot size hole to a slightly larger one shot sized hole.
Considering most of us are far from human Ransom rests, I considered the exercise of concerning myself too much about pellet dimensions a waste of time. Most of my good scores were shot on days that for one reason or another my bio rhythms were in sync, and it really wouldn't have mattered what pellet I had used.

p.s. for what it is worth I use RWS R10 4.49. These pellets add a (personal) confidence factor even though I know the others will shoot just, or almost as well. Confidence is paramount for me.

conradin · Post by **conradin** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:10 am

Anyone has experience using Qiang Yuan Match?

JJJJJJ · Post by **JJJJJJ** » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:00 pm

H&N is good, most LP tested well with this brand

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:45 am

Gwhite wrote:Maybe not RWS, but you can H&N in 4.49 mm from Pyramyd, and Vogel from our host. The difficulty of buying RWS in other than 4.5 mm appears to be a US thing. There are lots of places that sell them in England & Australia.

Exactly, we have them in my club at 4.49 and 4.50 and should we need other sizes they are easy to get hold of.

Rob.

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:19 am

In my testing, size did not matter (except to my love life). Only the batch (lot) seemed important, and that had to be determined by testing.

Pilk has had a lot to say on the subject. My opinion is the same; any decent pellet will be more than satisfactory. I have pushed the RWS Basic for the simple reason that they are the cheapest pellets to perform satisfactorily. I admit that other pellets shot smaller groups (personal test), but damned little difference.

conradin · Post by **conradin** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 11:03 am

I do batch testing too. Depends on circumstances it is either 30, or 60. By the time I am done all I have is just one big hole, with occasion maybe one flier. What is the recommended and the commonly adopted amount of pellets to be used in a batch test?

Rover · Post by **Rover** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 1:54 pm

The minimum shot number to have any hope of being statistically significant is 7. The three and five shot groups that are so popular are meaningless. If you shoot a bad group, then the pellet and/or gun is bad. If you shoot a good group, it means nothing at all.

For my own testing I shoot 25 or 30 shots into one hole. Once you have the tin open it doesn't take much longer. Sometimes I have repeated the test, but found no real difference from the first one. The NRA uses the average of five 5 shot groups to determine accuracy.

It's also a good chance to sip a cold one.

john_almighty · Post by **john_almighty** » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:16 pm

Rover wrote:The minimum shot number to have any hope of being statistically significant is 7. The three and five shot groups that are so popular are meaningless. If you shoot a bad group, then the pellet and/or gun is bad. If you shoot a good group, it means nothing at all.

For my own testing I shoot 25 or 30 shots into one hole. Once you have the tin open it doesn't take much longer. Sometimes I have repeated the test, but found no real difference from the first one. The NRA uses the average of five 5 shot groups to determine accuracy.

It's also a good chance to sip a cold one.

:) I see what you did there.