Does anyone have experience with the Remington 40x .22 Barrels? I have several and I have the opportunity to use them on rifles that will be used for 50' shooting (possibly some 50 meter, but not often) in a Junior / beginner Program. From a cost standpoint, it's hard to compete with "Free" put I'm looking for first hand experience specifically with the Remington .22 Barrels.
I know, Anschutz is King, but we own these and if they will shoot, I'd sure like to wring all the value out of the Remington Barrels before we turn them into Tent Stakes...
All constructive suggestions welcome.
Roy
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WesternGrizzly
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A few things.
1. Its 50 foot. You could shoot almost any barrel and get a perfect score! the factors that effect accuracy at 50 meters do not have nearly as much importance in 50 foot.
2. Anschutz is not the king. Benchmark, Lilja, Lothar Walther, Kreiger, Hart, Shilen, Border... Those are king. The time and labor put into these barrels is amazing. The final product is a work of art, inside, outside, and on the target!
Just go shoot them. If the crown is ok on the Remington's they should shoot. And at the level I am assuming these will be used at, it won't make a bit of difference.
Matt
1. Its 50 foot. You could shoot almost any barrel and get a perfect score! the factors that effect accuracy at 50 meters do not have nearly as much importance in 50 foot.
2. Anschutz is not the king. Benchmark, Lilja, Lothar Walther, Kreiger, Hart, Shilen, Border... Those are king. The time and labor put into these barrels is amazing. The final product is a work of art, inside, outside, and on the target!
Just go shoot them. If the crown is ok on the Remington's they should shoot. And at the level I am assuming these will be used at, it won't make a bit of difference.
Matt
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GCSInc
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Rob / Matt,
Thanks for your thoughts. I sent (3) barreled actions off to be cut, crowned and placed into new, adjustable alluminium Stocks. Photos and Performance Report to follow in 2 - 3 months when we have this project finished.
Best Regards,
Roy
Thanks for your thoughts. I sent (3) barreled actions off to be cut, crowned and placed into new, adjustable alluminium Stocks. Photos and Performance Report to follow in 2 - 3 months when we have this project finished.
Best Regards,
Roy
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Levergun59
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Remington did not use hammer forging for the small runs of barrels for the 40X. They were either button or cut rifled. The barrels are pretty stout for a junior program. Know that if it is a cut barrel you can lathe the barrel down and not lose any accuracy because there is no stress in the barrel. Button rifled barrels have a lot of stress in them. I'd be afraid to lathe them at all unless you cryo'd them first.
Chris
Chris
I assume the barrels in question are from the '50s or '60s.
I will echo most of what 'Grizzly said. Especially the part about at 50' most barrels are capable of a clean score. You just need to feed them something a little better than "bulk buy" ammo. (Note... I did not just say the kids need to be shooting Tenex or similar, that would be silly.)
While people tend to look at the European stuff as being the absolute best in development many people on this sight are not old enough to remember when the battle for target rifle supremacy in the US was between Remington and Winchester. Both companies at one time made excellent factory target barrels out of some really durable steel. Where the Americans fell short was in stock development, but that is a discussion for another time.
Unless these barrels have been badly abused they should be just fine for new shooters. The one question I have, there were some 40X with bull barrels on them that made even the heaviest of the heavy barrel Anschutz seem like a lightweight. For most kids, and even lots of adults, you would need to plan on having the barrels lightened. That is when you start getting into more cost than they might be worth.
Good Luck
'Dude
I will echo most of what 'Grizzly said. Especially the part about at 50' most barrels are capable of a clean score. You just need to feed them something a little better than "bulk buy" ammo. (Note... I did not just say the kids need to be shooting Tenex or similar, that would be silly.)
While people tend to look at the European stuff as being the absolute best in development many people on this sight are not old enough to remember when the battle for target rifle supremacy in the US was between Remington and Winchester. Both companies at one time made excellent factory target barrels out of some really durable steel. Where the Americans fell short was in stock development, but that is a discussion for another time.
Unless these barrels have been badly abused they should be just fine for new shooters. The one question I have, there were some 40X with bull barrels on them that made even the heaviest of the heavy barrel Anschutz seem like a lightweight. For most kids, and even lots of adults, you would need to plan on having the barrels lightened. That is when you start getting into more cost than they might be worth.
Good Luck
'Dude
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Same Stock
This is the same basic stock, but this one has a CZ 452 in it.
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- CZ 452 in a PDC Custom Stock
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- CZ 452 in a PDC Custom Stock
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Gary these are the 1600 series (X-barrels), made between 1976/77 and 1980. Anschutz were making good barrels at the time, but It's not so much the barrels on these rifles that are special. The important parts are the trigger and firing pin. Anschutz fitted a new trigger and lighter/faster firing pin. The trigger had a few changes in 1980 when the 1600 was superceded by the 1800, but it's not been changed since.GaryD wrote:Slightly off topic but still about barrels, The Way of the Rifle 2009 says on Page 192 that, "Especial fame is accorded to Anschutz barrels with serial numbers between 16xxxx and 19xxxxx"
Has anybody got any idea why
Gary,
This is a bit like wine or cars, there are some years where everything just works right and you get a product that is on average better than other years. So it goes with target rifles.
Tim is correct, this was about the time Anschutz made the conversion from the square backed "wing" bolt and steel framed trigger to the cone back bolt and the zinc framed trigger. While they are often referred to as 16xx series rifles, Anschutz never marketed a 16xx series, they simply touted the faster lock time of the action. This change was introduced around serial number 150xxxX. As Tim stated, the serial numbers also started ending with an X. After two years there were a few subtle changes in the bolt and trigger and marketing changed to the 18xx designation. I have encountered a few true 18xx rifles with X suffix serial numbers but for the most part the idea that the transition (16xx) model serial numbers ended in X and that the 18xx series dropped the X is correct.
Now, is the special fame accorded the 16xxxx to 19xxxx barrels just because of the change in the action? No, I personally don't think so. If this were the case then the special fame would have continued throughout all of the 18xx and 19xx series as well and that would extend the serial number range to close to 40xxxx. I will concur with the notion, that for whatever reason, the way the steel was foundered, the way the barrels were tempered, the way the rifleing was cut or some other factor about their production those barrels as a group were more accurate out of the box than your typical Anschutz barrel.
Regardless of action, the mid to late 1970s was just a very good era for Anschutz barrels.
Cheers,
'Dude
This is a bit like wine or cars, there are some years where everything just works right and you get a product that is on average better than other years. So it goes with target rifles.
Tim is correct, this was about the time Anschutz made the conversion from the square backed "wing" bolt and steel framed trigger to the cone back bolt and the zinc framed trigger. While they are often referred to as 16xx series rifles, Anschutz never marketed a 16xx series, they simply touted the faster lock time of the action. This change was introduced around serial number 150xxxX. As Tim stated, the serial numbers also started ending with an X. After two years there were a few subtle changes in the bolt and trigger and marketing changed to the 18xx designation. I have encountered a few true 18xx rifles with X suffix serial numbers but for the most part the idea that the transition (16xx) model serial numbers ended in X and that the 18xx series dropped the X is correct.
Now, is the special fame accorded the 16xxxx to 19xxxx barrels just because of the change in the action? No, I personally don't think so. If this were the case then the special fame would have continued throughout all of the 18xx and 19xx series as well and that would extend the serial number range to close to 40xxxx. I will concur with the notion, that for whatever reason, the way the steel was foundered, the way the barrels were tempered, the way the rifleing was cut or some other factor about their production those barrels as a group were more accurate out of the box than your typical Anschutz barrel.
Regardless of action, the mid to late 1970s was just a very good era for Anschutz barrels.
Cheers,
'Dude
Thanks Guys for the information on the 16xx series as I have one and have been trying to find out about them.
I even e-mailed the writer of The Way of the Rifle and asked him but unfortunatly he did not reply, busy writing another book no doubt?
Anyway I was once told true or not, that these barrels were the last ones made for Anschutz by Walther, prior to Anschutz making their own and making a pigs ear of them.
I even e-mailed the writer of The Way of the Rifle and asked him but unfortunatly he did not reply, busy writing another book no doubt?
Anyway I was once told true or not, that these barrels were the last ones made for Anschutz by Walther, prior to Anschutz making their own and making a pigs ear of them.
My new (to me) 16 Series Anschutz (S.No 177***X) from 1980 has an 8 groove barrel - if that is of any interest...
My old 16 Series Anschutz (S.No 148***X) from 1977 had to be re-barreled as it would shoot OK groups apart from fliers up to 2" out of the group... It HAD shot around 250,000 rounds though.
K.
My old 16 Series Anschutz (S.No 148***X) from 1977 had to be re-barreled as it would shoot OK groups apart from fliers up to 2" out of the group... It HAD shot around 250,000 rounds though.
K.