Hi can anyone answer me this.
Im thinking about buying an Anschutz 8002 s2 will it be suitable for both 10 metre and 20 metre targets.
My shooting is split 75% 20 metre 25% 10 metre
I wont commit to buying untill i have an answer.
No one so far has been able to give me a definitive answer.
Thank you
Anschutz 8002 s2 x 20 metre
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beretta700
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I'm not sure this will answer your question, but, The Anschutz 8002 s2 has been specifically designed for the 10-m distance. The velocity. number of rifling twists per length ratio, barrel length and firing cycle have all been fine tuned to work together to give the tightest grouping [usually a one hole group at 10-m] that the 10-m shooter expects.
To shoot the 8002 out side of its design parameters i.e. 20-m might not give you as tight a group as 10-m. You will also have to re zero the gun for each distance and possibly even use a different weight/size pellet.
I suspect at 20-m the group will open up.
However, although I have pointed out the possible pit falls in what you want to do, its best you try it yourself to see how it shoots, you never know, you might be surprised at the results.
JSB
To shoot the 8002 out side of its design parameters i.e. 20-m might not give you as tight a group as 10-m. You will also have to re zero the gun for each distance and possibly even use a different weight/size pellet.
I suspect at 20-m the group will open up.
However, although I have pointed out the possible pit falls in what you want to do, its best you try it yourself to see how it shoots, you never know, you might be surprised at the results.
JSB
What 20 mt shooting are you refering to? I'm not aware of any air events in the UK at that range, unless you are talking about field target and the 8002 is a match rifle?
In the UK all air rifle match shooting is shot standing to ISSF rules at 10 mt's.
There was some discussion of a trial last year to allow match air rifles to be used under NSRA rules on NSRA short range prone competitions which would include 25 yards and 20 yards but I don't know what happened in that, and I believe sporter class air rifles are used for benchrest at 25yds.
Technically they are as accurate at 25 yds as a .22 rimfire (we tried our Walther LG's prone for fun) but a puff of wind and you're shafted, personally I have enough trouble getting a handle on the wind with a smallbore without looking for more trouble!
Bit mystified as to what events you want it for?
Robin
In the UK all air rifle match shooting is shot standing to ISSF rules at 10 mt's.
There was some discussion of a trial last year to allow match air rifles to be used under NSRA rules on NSRA short range prone competitions which would include 25 yards and 20 yards but I don't know what happened in that, and I believe sporter class air rifles are used for benchrest at 25yds.
Technically they are as accurate at 25 yds as a .22 rimfire (we tried our Walther LG's prone for fun) but a puff of wind and you're shafted, personally I have enough trouble getting a handle on the wind with a smallbore without looking for more trouble!
Bit mystified as to what events you want it for?
Robin
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beretta700
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Hi JSB thank you for the reply.
It makes sense what you say next question is which gun to use.
What about the Steyr lg110 match with that you can turn the power from sub 6 lbs to sub 12 lbs.
It seems to be a bit of a universal weapon.
Unless you can think of another one.
Im desprate to get into target shooting but i dont want to stick to only 10 metres.
Once again thank you.
It makes sense what you say next question is which gun to use.
What about the Steyr lg110 match with that you can turn the power from sub 6 lbs to sub 12 lbs.
It seems to be a bit of a universal weapon.
Unless you can think of another one.
Im desprate to get into target shooting but i dont want to stick to only 10 metres.
Once again thank you.
Robin asks the same question as I ask, if you are desperate to get into target shooting and at 20 meters [I don't know of any indoor 20-m competitions for air rifle] I suspect you mean Field target. Guns for both 10-m and 20-m will require different sets of parameters for the different distances and the type of targets you are shooting at. Sights will also be different. I realy do urge you to go to your nearest target club, NSRA or Field target and talk to them.
I personally could not mix both types of shooting as they are very different, 10-m is standing only and field target is sitting or whatever position suits you. You need to be more specific and tell us what your agendas are.
JSB
I personally could not mix both types of shooting as they are very different, 10-m is standing only and field target is sitting or whatever position suits you. You need to be more specific and tell us what your agendas are.
JSB
Yes it will work as Terry says no problem out to 45 yards when we shoot silhouette but the wind isa BIG factor when you are shooting a rifle designed for 33' indoors out to 135' outdoors.
My 8002 S2 and my wind reading skill came together last month on the Turkeys for 10 in a row and they are 36 yards away and about the size of a quarter. I have run the Pigs at 30 and Chickens at 20 yards 10 in a row many times. If the wind is blowing it will really challenge you a lot at 25-45 yards. Use round nose diablo pellets for longer range than 10m outside. Also experiment with head size of the pellet and also pellet weight as they can be finicky about that when stretching them out. That older fellow in Australia on the Yellow forum how likes to shoot long range posted some old FWB300 groups he shot at 100 yards and they weren't to bad actually.
Bo
My 8002 S2 and my wind reading skill came together last month on the Turkeys for 10 in a row and they are 36 yards away and about the size of a quarter. I have run the Pigs at 30 and Chickens at 20 yards 10 in a row many times. If the wind is blowing it will really challenge you a lot at 25-45 yards. Use round nose diablo pellets for longer range than 10m outside. Also experiment with head size of the pellet and also pellet weight as they can be finicky about that when stretching them out. That older fellow in Australia on the Yellow forum how likes to shoot long range posted some old FWB300 groups he shot at 100 yards and they weren't to bad actually.
Bo
Berreta
Listen to JSB's advice, you are going the wrong way!
Forget what rifle, visit and /or join a club first, find out the events, then buy a rifle suitable for that event.
We often get new comers turn up to our 10 mt club with rifles, always the wrong one!
Go to clubs first and find out the events, by the sound of it you want a field target club.
Robin
Listen to JSB's advice, you are going the wrong way!
Forget what rifle, visit and /or join a club first, find out the events, then buy a rifle suitable for that event.
We often get new comers turn up to our 10 mt club with rifles, always the wrong one!
Go to clubs first and find out the events, by the sound of it you want a field target club.
Robin
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beretta700
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Hi everyone
Thank you for all the advice, i think i didnt explain myself very well.
I am a member of a local club where i shoot 10 metres with a Steyr lp10 pistol.
It is all indoors.
We can send the targets just over 20 metres away.
Im looking for a rifle to shoot 10 and 20 metre.
From the answers it looks like the anschutz is more than capable of doing the job.
I know i will have to zero in every time i change distances.
Can the Anschutz change from sub 6 lbs to sub 12 lbs like the Steyr.
Thank you for all the advise and help
Thank you for all the advice, i think i didnt explain myself very well.
I am a member of a local club where i shoot 10 metres with a Steyr lp10 pistol.
It is all indoors.
We can send the targets just over 20 metres away.
Im looking for a rifle to shoot 10 and 20 metre.
From the answers it looks like the anschutz is more than capable of doing the job.
I know i will have to zero in every time i change distances.
Can the Anschutz change from sub 6 lbs to sub 12 lbs like the Steyr.
Thank you for all the advise and help
Berreta
I'm aware that the you can change the velocity of the Steyr LG-110 from 6ft Lbs to just under 12Ft Lbs, but to do that on a regular basis is going to put the regulator out of calibration and you will introduce a less consistant velocity both at 10-m and 20-m. I see you already shoot at a club, so have you not got any advice from the rifle shooters?
Note: Steyr had to change the Anschutz barrel on the LG-110 when the velocity was raised to just under 12Ft Lbs for field target because the number of rifling twists were wrong for the higher velocity and groups had opened up. So all Steyr field target rifles have a different barrel to the 10m version.
Quite honestly, I would not spend £1600 or whatever a 8002 costs on a beautiful precision instrument designed for 10-m shooting then fool about with its velocity on a regular basis, you could be asking for trouble. My advice is to shoot the 20-m with a cheaper but accurate gun like for example the AA MPR precision and only use the 8002 for the more formal ISSF discipline of 10-M.
I suspect this is not the answers you are looking for, but I advise you to approach this in a different way to the one you are proposing.
JSB
I'm aware that the you can change the velocity of the Steyr LG-110 from 6ft Lbs to just under 12Ft Lbs, but to do that on a regular basis is going to put the regulator out of calibration and you will introduce a less consistant velocity both at 10-m and 20-m. I see you already shoot at a club, so have you not got any advice from the rifle shooters?
Note: Steyr had to change the Anschutz barrel on the LG-110 when the velocity was raised to just under 12Ft Lbs for field target because the number of rifling twists were wrong for the higher velocity and groups had opened up. So all Steyr field target rifles have a different barrel to the 10m version.
Quite honestly, I would not spend £1600 or whatever a 8002 costs on a beautiful precision instrument designed for 10-m shooting then fool about with its velocity on a regular basis, you could be asking for trouble. My advice is to shoot the 20-m with a cheaper but accurate gun like for example the AA MPR precision and only use the 8002 for the more formal ISSF discipline of 10-M.
I suspect this is not the answers you are looking for, but I advise you to approach this in a different way to the one you are proposing.
JSB
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Levergun59
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If you are strickly shooting indoors I wouldn't even worry about it just get the rifle and learn how many clicks you need to change to 20m from 10m and back. If they can be shot at 40m outside in the wind I think you will be fine inside without needing the higher power of 12+ ft lbs.
Not sure how well a flat head match pellet will do at 20m I usually stick to within 20 for those. Go with a JSB Lite 8.4gr Diablo for longer than 10m.
You do no want to be trying to go back and forth on a power setting. You would be much better off just learning to shoot it at whatever power level it comes stock at.
Bo
Not sure how well a flat head match pellet will do at 20m I usually stick to within 20 for those. Go with a JSB Lite 8.4gr Diablo for longer than 10m.
You do no want to be trying to go back and forth on a power setting. You would be much better off just learning to shoot it at whatever power level it comes stock at.
Bo
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beretta700
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Thank you to everyone who has responded to my question.
I spoke with other shooters at the club last night and several of them have dedicated 10 metre rifles which they also shoot at 20 metres.
So ive decided to buy the Anschuts.
I think its a question of me getting on with the gun and learning its capabilities.
Once again thank you all very much
I spoke with other shooters at the club last night and several of them have dedicated 10 metre rifles which they also shoot at 20 metres.
So ive decided to buy the Anschuts.
I think its a question of me getting on with the gun and learning its capabilities.
Once again thank you all very much