Daughter's getting to the point where she really needs not to be sat on the floor with a pile of measurements and photos resetting her entire hook assembly between positions.
The System Gemini 3-pack would be lovely...but it's more than we paid for the entire rifle. In fact it's probably more than we paid for both her rifles put together :(
Anyone have any insights? Sympathy? Budget suggestions without (too much) compromise? Know somebody in the UK who's giving up 3P and has a couple of unused buttplates looking for a good home? (okay, I can dream...)
The one she's got at the moment is the standard Anschutz hook assembly.
Multiple butthook assemblies for .22 3P
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There are two solutions.
Bite the bullet and spend the money for the second and / or third buttplate. Expensive, but guarantees that it will get what you want.
The other option is to simplify the change process via the use of 3 permanent markers of different colors. For each position, reset the buttplate and make new "match marks" - one color for each position. Than rather using photos and notes, just line up the correct color lines and retighten the bolts.
The lines can always be removed with some acetone when future changes are made to prevent confusion.
-ken
Bite the bullet and spend the money for the second and / or third buttplate. Expensive, but guarantees that it will get what you want.
The other option is to simplify the change process via the use of 3 permanent markers of different colors. For each position, reset the buttplate and make new "match marks" - one color for each position. Than rather using photos and notes, just line up the correct color lines and retighten the bolts.
The lines can always be removed with some acetone when future changes are made to prevent confusion.
-ken
That's how Gemini gets you, no marks on the butt plates. I personally have 2, one old Anschutz hook for prone, and a new Anschutz style hook for standing and kneeling. The only differences between standing and kneeling for me are the height of the butt plate and the rotation on the vertical axis.
I'd simplify the changes in the butt plate personally.
The marker idea is a good one too.
I'd simplify the changes in the butt plate personally.
The marker idea is a good one too.
Skylark,
This has become a problem. I started back when the Anschutz hook was a fixed instrument. Set the height, set the pull length and go. Probably took less than a minute.
The other problem I see is that as hooks have become more complex and adjustable there seems to be less ability to set the contour of the hook such that you can get the resonable compromise for all three positions. As has been pointed out, the way the shoulder addresses the rifle, for some folks you can get standing and kneeling to share one hook.
As you have noted, multiple hooks are not cheap. For my position rifle (whole separate rifle for prone) I still have two of the about 1990 vintage Anschutz hook assemblies. I found that, not only could I do a better job of getting the hook set exactly how I wanted it for the given position I had more time to worry about other tweaks with the rest of my equipment during the change in positions so I was mentally a little more relaxed and focused going into kneeling.
It only hurts in the billfold for a little while but after I made the switch to having separate hooks for each position I would not go back.
Good Luck,
'Dude
This has become a problem. I started back when the Anschutz hook was a fixed instrument. Set the height, set the pull length and go. Probably took less than a minute.
The other problem I see is that as hooks have become more complex and adjustable there seems to be less ability to set the contour of the hook such that you can get the resonable compromise for all three positions. As has been pointed out, the way the shoulder addresses the rifle, for some folks you can get standing and kneeling to share one hook.
As you have noted, multiple hooks are not cheap. For my position rifle (whole separate rifle for prone) I still have two of the about 1990 vintage Anschutz hook assemblies. I found that, not only could I do a better job of getting the hook set exactly how I wanted it for the given position I had more time to worry about other tweaks with the rest of my equipment during the change in positions so I was mentally a little more relaxed and focused going into kneeling.
It only hurts in the billfold for a little while but after I made the switch to having separate hooks for each position I would not go back.
Good Luck,
'Dude
This is the basic problem. You end up in the position of deciding whether to say "no, I don't want a better shoulder contact kneeling if it messes up my standing." Meanwhile the girl on the next firing point has three buttplates and is cheerfully optimising each one individually - with no need to fiddle about marking everything for the change to the next position.as hooks have become more complex and adjustable there seems to be less ability to set the contour of the hook such that you can get the resonable compromise for all three positions
I started out when women weren't allowed hooks at all. Made life a lot cheaper - and, except for the absolute elite, scores a lot lower. First time we put the modern stock + hook on my daughter's rifle (she had been shooting with my old 1807 stock) she put 39 points on her PB ex 600.
(grits teeth, checks bank balance)
Skylark,
If it makes you feel better, at least you are going at it in graduated steps and you understand the process. From my standpoint there was a lot to be said for the old 1407/1807. Simple and forgiving adjustments, but I had the good fortune to have a frame that the rifle fit.
The new stuff is great but also, IMO, less forgiving if not properly set up. I have seen newer shooters with monied parents who buy everything imaginable and cannot understand why their son or daughter does not magically start shooting world class scores. Six months later the whole kit is up for sale because the kid gave up out of frustration.
While butt plates have come a long way in my lifetime the ability to duplicate adjustments is still, at times, iffy, and now that there are more adjustments the problem is worse and more time consuming. Frankly, they seem to be designed with the idea in mind that shooters will own more than one.
I am not sure if my kneeling scores took a modest jump when I went to two plates because I optimized the plates or because I could be more relaxed during equipment change over. Food for thought there.
Sorry about the bank account.
Cheers,
'Dude
If it makes you feel better, at least you are going at it in graduated steps and you understand the process. From my standpoint there was a lot to be said for the old 1407/1807. Simple and forgiving adjustments, but I had the good fortune to have a frame that the rifle fit.
The new stuff is great but also, IMO, less forgiving if not properly set up. I have seen newer shooters with monied parents who buy everything imaginable and cannot understand why their son or daughter does not magically start shooting world class scores. Six months later the whole kit is up for sale because the kid gave up out of frustration.
While butt plates have come a long way in my lifetime the ability to duplicate adjustments is still, at times, iffy, and now that there are more adjustments the problem is worse and more time consuming. Frankly, they seem to be designed with the idea in mind that shooters will own more than one.
I am not sure if my kneeling scores took a modest jump when I went to two plates because I optimized the plates or because I could be more relaxed during equipment change over. Food for thought there.
Sorry about the bank account.
Cheers,
'Dude