I would like to know why...

buonvento · Post by **buonvento** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 2:18 am

When I train in the duel with my 22 I'm always over 270, if I shot with the 32 I'm around 255 - 260!

orionshooter · Post by **orionshooter** » Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:40 pm

A little more information could help. Are you using very different guns? Do you see a consistently significant difference in your precision fire scores between the .22 and .32?

buonvento · Post by **buonvento** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:44 am

Yesterday afternoon I made a 278 with 18 - 10 ... The guns are not the same model. The 22 is a Pardini SPnew I use for standard pistol.
With the .32, shots have a wider distribution on the target (factory or reloaded).
I area aim and there is no significant difference in the precison stage between 22 and 32. I noticed that with the .22 I have a few tenths of a second more before release. Better alignment, better grip? I do not know.
I begin to think it's a psychological problem...

buonvento · Post by **buonvento** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:45 am

Sorry.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:38 am

What gun do you use for .32

Are you certain that it will at least hold the 10 ring with the ammunition?

Have you tried shooting it from a machine rest.

buonvento · Post by **buonvento** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:11 am

I'm using an MG4, which is a good gun, with a longer barrel. In the precision stage I'm normally around 270. Unfortunately I don't have a rest at the range to make a test.

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:54 am

Even 270 is - no offense intended - not all that good, you must have some kind of errors in there, too. If those errors are, for example, in holding force / forarm muscle tension, the increased (recoil-) movement of the .32 will multiply that problem. If you're shooting 260, there have to be some shots outside the "9" ring, so I'd stop thinking about the ammo for the moment - even blackpowder and marbles will give you a "9" at 25m ;-) Is there a distinctive pattern to your groups, when you compare 15 or 30 shot groups? Or are they all over the place?

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:22 pm

I think that I have had the similar problem with .32.

In my case I had finally realized that I worked for a shot... I was full of expectations ("now it comes, it comes, it comes... and makes big bang").

The reason was my inner fear ("the pistol that makes big bang").

In addition, I have read, that some shooters had problems with Hämmerli SP20 (cracked frame)... And I had fear for any physical injury.

Later I have borrowed SIG X-SIX 9mm and S&W 686 Target Champion .38 and took part in official big bore competitions (and surprisingly qualified for nationals).

I came back to my .32 with tiny cartridges and have understood that there is no place for fear. Only "follow through".

buonvento · Post by **buonvento** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:16 am

I know my limits and I know not to be an Olympic shooter... For me the range from 540 to 550 is the best, what I'm trying to figure out is why I make a better duel with 22 than with 32.
Fear of the recoil, higher expectations, perhaps I shoot better with the 22 because I'm more relaxed?

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:33 am

buonvento wrote: perhaps I shoot better with the 22 because I'm more relaxed?

I would say - "Yes".

zarathustra · Post by **zarathustra** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:46 pm

I had those problems too when I started around a year ago. Later I learned that I was much better with the .32 (my coach handloaded my bullets, they grouped in the inner ten ring).

The initial problem I had was fear (the bigger bang!), poor follow through, and obviously my wrist couldn take the .32... But that's nothing you cant solve in the first 200 shots.

About duel, well, the .32 is heavier. Your muscle tone, and your fine tuning is prepared for the .22, not .32. I would say, focus on your basics, and it's just a matter of getting used to the feeling (weight and recoil)

I'll give you a quick example. I mostly shooting AP60 right now. No recoil. But guess what, I also started shooting Rapid Fire and doing very well. (8 and 6 to be honest, 4 is kicking my butt for now)
When I shoot my 9mm, my first shots are off, but after the 3rd shot my groupings are even better than when I only practiced with the 9.

My conclusion is focus on your basics and get the feeling for caliber =)

buonvento · Post by **buonvento** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:21 am

Thanks. I'll try...