For a Non olympic shooter is there much difference in owning one over the other.
Is the Fwb 300S build that much better? and more accurate?
I did have a 300S and sold it but thinking of getting another one.
thanks
diana model 75 Vs FWB 300S
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The 300 isnt better. Not shooting wise anyway. The 300 tends to twang during the shot. Also, the action outside still moves upon the shot which can be disturbing.
I very much prefer the 75. Doesnt twang, and doesnt have outside moving parts. Works with GISS system, double opposing pistons.
Only downside of the 75: far harder to disassemble and you must be handy to adjust the GISS correctly. Also, they're more rare than the widely spread 300(especially the later T01's etc). Hence maybe a tad more expensive.
FWB might be better reg finish and trigger adjustability, dunno.
But both should be equally accurate.
I very much prefer the 75. Doesnt twang, and doesnt have outside moving parts. Works with GISS system, double opposing pistons.
Only downside of the 75: far harder to disassemble and you must be handy to adjust the GISS correctly. Also, they're more rare than the widely spread 300(especially the later T01's etc). Hence maybe a tad more expensive.
FWB might be better reg finish and trigger adjustability, dunno.
But both should be equally accurate.
75 Vs 300S
OK thanks Yana.
I was wondering why there are so many FWB 300 rifles for sale compared to the 75.
Somehow thought the 300 was much better than the 75 and people didn't care for the model 75 shooting system and maybe more parts readily available for the 300 and easier to maintain.
thanks again
I was wondering why there are so many FWB 300 rifles for sale compared to the 75.
Somehow thought the 300 was much better than the 75 and people didn't care for the model 75 shooting system and maybe more parts readily available for the 300 and easier to maintain.
thanks again
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Tony C.
I have to respectable disagree with Yana, having own both rifles, IMHO the FWB 300 is a better built gun and the recoil neutrulizing works better and much more reliable than the opposing pistons on pinnon gears system the model 75 using.
One reason there are far more FWB 300 on the market is much more of them are sold and they can last a life time with very little maintenance, while EVERY model 75 built in the late 70s and early 80s saw its plastic piston seals deteriorated and turned into dust over time, when that happen, sometime the cocking lever will jam, or the gun will still operate but with a great loss of velocity. The FWB 300 with its steel piston ring have no such problem.
A few yrs back, a new shooter show up at our range, proudly showing off his newly acquired model 75, telling us he brought it from an old gentleman who has it stored in his closet for over 20 yrs and is in almost mint condition, well within 10 shot you can see the pellet drop out of the muzzle and fell a few feet in front of the firing line, the plastic seals self distructed in front of our eyes!
Later model 75, with a different plastic seal, solved this problem, the earlier guns, if parts can be found, can be repaired. So if you have your mind set on a model 75, be sure it come with new plastic seals
One reason there are far more FWB 300 on the market is much more of them are sold and they can last a life time with very little maintenance, while EVERY model 75 built in the late 70s and early 80s saw its plastic piston seals deteriorated and turned into dust over time, when that happen, sometime the cocking lever will jam, or the gun will still operate but with a great loss of velocity. The FWB 300 with its steel piston ring have no such problem.
A few yrs back, a new shooter show up at our range, proudly showing off his newly acquired model 75, telling us he brought it from an old gentleman who has it stored in his closet for over 20 yrs and is in almost mint condition, well within 10 shot you can see the pellet drop out of the muzzle and fell a few feet in front of the firing line, the plastic seals self distructed in front of our eyes!
Later model 75, with a different plastic seal, solved this problem, the earlier guns, if parts can be found, can be repaired. So if you have your mind set on a model 75, be sure it come with new plastic seals
I agree with TonyC regarding the FWB 300-S, a great air rifle that goes on for ever. I have had my 300-SU for 35 years and it still shoots tens.
However, I do like the 75 mainly because the sights are stationary when firing. To add one more springer into the equation, try out if you can find one the Anschutz LG-380, it works on the same principle as the FWB, but all the sliding action is internal, thus the sights remain stationary.
Peter
However, I do like the 75 mainly because the sights are stationary when firing. To add one more springer into the equation, try out if you can find one the Anschutz LG-380, it works on the same principle as the FWB, but all the sliding action is internal, thus the sights remain stationary.
Peter
Diana 75 vS THE fwb 300S.
Thanks for the info, what a great place this is!.
the opposing pistons on the 75-that's what I remember reading about but couldn't remember it.
I had a couple of 300S rifles and they were both accurate.(more than I could shoot).They were great looking and just a little heavy but the workmanship was still there.
I was looking at a 75 but I think it is a lot harder to work on and to find parts for.
thanks fellas
the opposing pistons on the 75-that's what I remember reading about but couldn't remember it.
I had a couple of 300S rifles and they were both accurate.(more than I could shoot).They were great looking and just a little heavy but the workmanship was still there.
I was looking at a 75 but I think it is a lot harder to work on and to find parts for.
thanks fellas
You'll probably find the parts for the 75, but its the disassembly and adjusting thats the problem. You dont see(saw) the Diana's much for the same reason you didnt see that many walthers or anschutz in the airgun scene: they dont have thé name. FWB has thé name for airgun rifles, anschutz for .22 rifles. But other brands are just as good! Just marketing etc.
I shot both as well, 300 and 75, and disliked the noisy FWB. It sounds so cheap. Also very annoying for follow through is that the action moves visibly. The 75 made totally no noise whatsoever on cocking and shooting. So smooth! And it was still original, not revised..But its indeed personal!
Its true that many 75's need revision these days, but many FWB's do. Their springs get tired just as easily. They just very easy to service. Many FWB's are 'downgraded'during service too, fitted with 1 spring instead of original double, making it even noisier.
Its true that earlier Diana seals are a weakpoint though.And if the GISS system is abused its a PAIN to repair IF its even possible. The FWB is simple straightforward.
But the 300 can get play on its recoilless system(mine had). And I doubt you can still get thóse parts.That's a weakpoint of the anschutz 380 as well by the way! Causes poi shift, so always testshoot a 380!
The 75's shroud isnt metal either, so less/not prone to rust when handling
So bóth models have ups and downsides!
But whatever rifle I'd choose, I'd never want an unserviced 1, either 300 or 75. Its just too old to go with 30yr old seals and spring.
I'd hold both if I were you, cause we can tell you pro's and con's, but whats MOST important is, what fits YOU. You'll never shoot at yr best with a rifle that doesnt fit you.
I shot both as well, 300 and 75, and disliked the noisy FWB. It sounds so cheap. Also very annoying for follow through is that the action moves visibly. The 75 made totally no noise whatsoever on cocking and shooting. So smooth! And it was still original, not revised..But its indeed personal!
Its true that many 75's need revision these days, but many FWB's do. Their springs get tired just as easily. They just very easy to service. Many FWB's are 'downgraded'during service too, fitted with 1 spring instead of original double, making it even noisier.
Its true that earlier Diana seals are a weakpoint though.And if the GISS system is abused its a PAIN to repair IF its even possible. The FWB is simple straightforward.
But the 300 can get play on its recoilless system(mine had). And I doubt you can still get thóse parts.That's a weakpoint of the anschutz 380 as well by the way! Causes poi shift, so always testshoot a 380!
The 75's shroud isnt metal either, so less/not prone to rust when handling
So bóth models have ups and downsides!
But whatever rifle I'd choose, I'd never want an unserviced 1, either 300 or 75. Its just too old to go with 30yr old seals and spring.
I'd hold both if I were you, cause we can tell you pro's and con's, but whats MOST important is, what fits YOU. You'll never shoot at yr best with a rifle that doesnt fit you.
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luftskytter-
I've got both, and they're both very accurate.
10 m accuracy is probably just as dependent on the pellets as the guns.
The 300s fits me best, and it's also quiet and well-behaved.
I've also got the Walther LGR which is a singlepump and gives quite similar performance with less mass moving inside, and a similar price.
They're quite well-built.
My club has 2 defective 75's, and my Diana model 6 pistol with the same GISS system needs service, so I believe Diana is the most troublesome. It's also considered difficult to service.......
10 m accuracy is probably just as dependent on the pellets as the guns.
The 300s fits me best, and it's also quiet and well-behaved.
I've also got the Walther LGR which is a singlepump and gives quite similar performance with less mass moving inside, and a similar price.
They're quite well-built.
My club has 2 defective 75's, and my Diana model 6 pistol with the same GISS system needs service, so I believe Diana is the most troublesome. It's also considered difficult to service.......
diana 75 vs fwb 300
Well actually I supposedly saw a diana model 75 new in box with all the papers supposedly unfired.
Looks more like a 300s than the 75 because there are no slots on the side of the forearm.
I thought about it but it would definitely want to be re-sealed-also I didn't know if it was worth $695.
I know if I had the 300 and it needed work I could do it but never even looked at or had a model 75 in my hands.
Twang
OK I found a page that shows the variations of the model 75 and the one for sale is a Diana model 75B-solid stock with no cutouts on the side.
Looks more like a 300s than the 75 because there are no slots on the side of the forearm.
I thought about it but it would definitely want to be re-sealed-also I didn't know if it was worth $695.
I know if I had the 300 and it needed work I could do it but never even looked at or had a model 75 in my hands.
Twang
OK I found a page that shows the variations of the model 75 and the one for sale is a Diana model 75B-solid stock with no cutouts on the side.
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Diana 75 Repairs
I love my Diana 75 and somewhat prefer it over my FWB300s for two reasons. The sight picture does not move and you can shoot it at any incline (for other purposes than paper targets) and the anti-recoiling mechanism still works. Scoped, I was able to 5 pellets into a single hole at 10m. Placed a single pellet into this hole and it did not fall through!
If you need to rebuild the Diana 75; Umarex USA can do it for a reasonable fee.
If you need to rebuild the Diana 75; Umarex USA can do it for a reasonable fee.