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is still in business?D J Precision
306 S. Prindle Ave.
Arlington Heights, IL 60004-6838
Telephone: (847) 392-3074
djprecision@joltmail.com
While I'm not an expert on the AW 93, it's my understanding that these pistols were designed by the same individual, but that the AW 93 is not actually based on the IZH 35. IIRC there was a discussion of the fundamental differences on this forum, perhaps someone more knowledgeable will chime-in.Models Based on the IZH-35 - http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpo ... ostcount=8
Is the AW 93 related to the IJ36? Perhaps.Anonymous wrote:.... but that the AW 93 is not actually based on the IZH 35....Models Based on the IZH-35 - http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpo ... ostcount=8
In the 60s the Russians had a very highly thought of pistol called an IJ35. We rarely saw them out here except in the hands of Russian team members. A few Australian team members managed to get them through Taransky, an ex-Russian living out here. I doubt any went to the US. They were roughly made but a brilliant design. Until the Domino 602 came on the scene in the mid 70s they swept all before them, here at least.
As the IJ was a limited run made for mainly the elite shooters they are quite uncommon. Many years later Baikal decided to reinvent the wheel and brought out the IZH35, a less sophisticated version of the IJ, but still a very good target pistol. A little rough around the edges, and the grip is fairly forgettable. Brilliant value for money.
Walther has been looking to bring out a budget beginners standard gun for some time. Their KSP200 is actually an IZH35 with a couple of modifications. The basic pistol is still made by Baikal. New features are a push button slide stop and a fancy blue laminated grip. I don't know about in the States, but here you're paying big bucks for those two upgrades and the Walther logo.
The AW93 is interesting. It was delayed in its release for a couple of years as the designer's widow tried to get more money out of FWB for using the design. It is an IJ35 given the once-over by German designers. Meaning they have made it more complicated of course. It has a much more refined trigger and better grip than either Russian pistol. Beautifully made, which I expect explains the price tag. They have just stopped making the nickel finish, I believe all in the future will be blue.
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You don't mention that the AW-93 also has a special Recoil damping mechanism, that is/was unique to that pistol.
I migh't not want to admit that the AW-93 is based on the IZH35m/Baikal IJ35 (Still sells as the IJ35 when using the Baikal brand in Denmark) design. But when looking at exploded drawings of the IZH35m I can easily see that they look a lot like each other.
Not true, the AW93 is based on the Izh KhR 30, not the Izh35.The AW93 is interesting. It was delayed in its release for a couple of years as the designer's widow tried to get more money out of FWB for using the design. It is an IJ35 given the once-over by German designers.
Models Based on the IZH-35 - http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showpo ... ostcount=8
Gentlemen,Nope - this is a myth (in part perpetuated by an error in a posting which Peter Brunelli compiled together to create a "scrapbook" on his excellent website about theIZH35 at http://izh.petebrunelli.com/).
If there is an IZH user that wants to take this page and its contents over, drop me an email and we can arrange it. - http://izh.petebrunelli.com/
There is an excellent image of the HR86 in the middle of this page and the similarity to the AW93 is striking.
aom22 wrote: Fortitudo Dei: Have you given any thought to Mr. Brunelli's standing offer - at least long enough to correct the record?
Armorer Champions: New gun Haydurova - http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... en%26lr%3DJamesH wrote:Not true, the AW93 is based on the Izh KhR 30, not the Izh35.The AW93 is interesting. It was delayed in its release for a couple of years as the designer's widow tried to get more money out of FWB for using the design. It is an IJ35 given the once-over by German designers.
I believe they are designed by different people, the KhR designation would suggest this. I'm pretty sure Alex Taransky has told me the history but I can't remember the Russian names.
IJ is just an alternative anglicisation of Izh
... The subsequent history of XP-64 is similar to a detective.
In 1991, the license for the pistol was sold to German company Feinwerkbau, which branded AW 93 releases it from 1996 to the present day.
Who exactly has sold and who received money for his pistol, still not clear, we only know that neither Haydurov nor Razorenov not received a penny from the deal....
I have e-mailed several times over the last couple for years for some custom parts for my IZH-35M and no reply. The Web site seems to change with new products, so it appears they are still in business.dino911 wrote:DJ Precision still trading ? sent an email recently and no reply as yet...
