LP 10 TANK FILLING SCUBA OR PAINT BALL GUN TANK?

darticus · Post by **darticus** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:54 pm

Will a paint ball gun tank fill a LP 10 air cartridge and is a n adapter needed? Maybe its not big enough and the scuba tank is the better deal.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:04 pm

How big is the paint ball tank and what's the maximum pressure.

You will need adaptors to let you screw a 232bar DIN adaptor in.

darticus · Post by **darticus** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:24 pm

David Levene wrote:How big is the paint ball tank and what's the maximum pressure.

You will need adaptors to let you screw a 232bar DIN adaptor in.

I saw a tank on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/PMI-PURE-ENERGY-72- ... 2eadb398be
Maybe its too small.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:39 pm

Unless I'm mis-reading it, that tank isn't refillable.

IMHO, don't mess about. Get yourself a scuba tank with a 232 bar DIN valve. If can only get K valve tanks refilled then get one of those and a K valve to DIN yoke adaptor.

darticus · Post by **darticus** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:50 pm

David Levene wrote:Unless I'm mis-reading it, that tank isn't refillable.

IMHO, don't mess about. Get yourself a scuba tank with a 232 bar DIN valve. If can only get K valve tanks refilled then get one of those and a K valve to DIN yoke adaptor.

Thats probably the way to go I just don't know enough about it. Do you need a c- card or something to get a tank filled once you buy a tank? I know I can get a K valve from Pilkguns but is that all you put on top of the tank to fill a LP 10? I have to go find the article on Pilkguns to get more info.

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 2:59 pm

I can't help with what you need to get a tank filled in the US. Can I suggest that you telephone your closest dive shop, explain what you are going to use the tank for and ask what paperwork (if any) they would need to fill it.

If you get the Pilkguns adaptor then the Steyr filling adaptor will screw straight in.

Jack Milchanowski · Post by **Jack Milchanowski** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 4:05 pm

As I mentioned in your first thread: (Please take a few minutes and read the information found on this page: http://www.pilkguns.com/scuba.shtml It should prove helpful.)

I had to contact three dive shops before I found one that was quite willing to sell me a used scuba tank and give me fills. One shop would not return my calls/emails. The other shop told me their policy was just to fill for certified divers. I assumed it was a shop employee who did not care to discuss it further or with the owner.

The shop that I found is located in an area almost as remote as where I live and understands the need for the air services.

Come see us in the woods.
Jack

darticus · Post by **darticus** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:21 pm

Jack Milchanowski wrote:As I mentioned in your first thread: (Please take a few minutes and read the information found on this page: http://www.pilkguns.com/scuba.shtml It should prove helpful.)

I had to contact three dive shops before I found one that was quite willing to sell me a used scuba tank and give me fills. One shop would not return my calls/emails. The other shop told me their policy was just to fill for certified divers. I assumed it was a shop employee who did not care to discuss it further or with the owner.

The shop that I found is located in an area almost as remote as where I live and understands the need for the air services.

Come see us in the woods.
Jack

I did check out the article but have to read it again as it has allot of info. It sounds like I want an 80 cu ft tank with a K valve. Than I would have to purchase the adapter from Pilkguns to get it to work with my LP 10. I do have the adapter for the LP 10 to the Hills pump but I think I might need something else. I to make a connection for a tank. Thanks Ron

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:01 am

darticus wrote:I do have the adapter for the LP 10 to the Hills pump but I think I might need something else.

If that's the standard one which came with the LP10 then it screws straight into the Pilguns adaptor.

Misny · Post by **Misny** » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:55 am

darticus wrote:
Jack Milchanowski wrote:As I mentioned in your first thread: (Please take a few minutes and read the information found on this page: http://www.pilkguns.com/scuba.shtml It should prove helpful.)

I had to contact three dive shops before I found one that was quite willing to sell me a used scuba tank and give me fills. One shop would not return my calls/emails. The other shop told me their policy was just to fill for certified divers. I assumed it was a shop employee who did not care to discuss it further or with the owner.

The shop that I found is located in an area almost as remote as where I live and understands the need for the air services.

Come see us in the woods.
Jack
I did check out the article but have to read it again as it has allot of info. It sounds like I want an 80 cu ft tank with a K valve. Than I would have to purchase the adapter from Pilkguns to get it to work with my LP 10. I do have the adapter for the LP 10 to the Hills pump but I think I might need something else. I to make a connection for a tank. Thanks Ron

You have it right. The K valve is the most common scuba valve in the U.S., but DIN valves are making inroads. The K valve requires the adapter, as sold by Pilkguns. The DIN valve will work directly with the threads of your cylinders. I ended up buying my scuba tank from the shop who fills it up for me. That resulted in a good business relationship. I am a certified scuba diver, but the shop owner will fill tanks for air gun and paintball enthusiasts without a card.

dsergison · Post by **dsergison** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:47 pm

yes you can fill off of that tank... sort of.

a "paintball tank" for HPA ALWAYS has a built in regulator. so the air comming out of the ASA (Air System Adapter, o-ring sealed 3/4" thread port) is generally less than 800 psi.

They also ALWAYS have a 1/8" npt port with a bust disk to prevent over pressurization. leave that alone!

they generally also have a 1/8" npt gage port.

of course it also has a 1/8" npt foster quick fill nipple. they have internal check valves in them that are closed by pressure. so you cant just put a female fitting on a whip to your air gun because it wont flow backward.

but you could always T into that location and fill from it.

paintball tanks are sized in cubic inches of actual internal volume

scuba tanks are sized in cubic feet of air at atmospheric pressure which can be compressed to fit into the bottle at high pressure.

paintball tanks are really small compared to scuba. it will work but you will not get a large # of fills.

dsergison · Post by **dsergison** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:51 pm

David Levene wrote:Unless I'm mis-reading it, that tank isn't refillable.

you mis-read it. there are no nonrefillable paintball tanks except for 12gram, 88gram, or other puncture-to-use disposables.

Richard H · Post by **Richard H** » Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:25 pm

I suggest you find some local dive shops and pay them a visit. Many dive shops often have used tank for sale. Ebay's great but you aren't going to get fills from them so why not try to start a good relationship with a local business. They will be the ones providing you on-going service, fills, visual inspections and Hydro testing. They are also a good source for silicon grease to lube your o-ring too.