Hämmerli 212 Slide Stop Spring

zeleny · Post by **zeleny** » Sat May 22, 2010 4:05 pm

I am aware of the need to be VERY careful not to dislodge or bend the Hämmerli 212 (208, etc.) slide stop spring. What is the fix for a dislodged slide stop spring that won't stay in place?

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solomon grundy · Post by **solomon grundy** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:41 pm

I don't know, but can recommend that you contact Larry's or Roco for some expert advice.

http://www.larrysguns.com

http://www.rocosystem.com/

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:13 am

A missing slide stop spring is not likely to cause any damage or malfunctions - only some inconvenience.
My 208 went many years without until I obtained some spares at the Walther/Hammerli stand at a European World Cup.

If the spring will not stay in place it is almost certainly mis-shaped (i.e. damaged). Replacement is the route.

zeleny · Post by **zeleny** » Thu May 27, 2010 3:31 am

I have two replacement springs on the way from RoCo. Being used to native Swiss handgun designs, I find this German Walther Olympia derivative a bit fussy. Time will tell how it holds up in my hands.

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Thu May 27, 2010 3:53 am

zeleny wrote:I have two replacement springs on the way from RoCo. Being used to native Swiss handgun designs, I find this German Walther Olympia derivative a bit fussy. Time will tell how it holds up in my hands.

From an obvious fan of these pistols, expect reliability, accuracy, and with reasonable ammunition, lack of excuses (any 'bad' shot will be your own doing)

Spencer
(blatant 208 admirer/owner)

zeleny · Post by **zeleny** » Thu May 27, 2010 4:04 am

Spencer wrote:From an obvious fan of these pistols, expect reliability, accuracy, and with reasonable ammunition, lack of excuses (any 'bad' shot will be your own doing)

I got that impression from my first shooting session. The two-stage trigger action is a lot easier to control than that of my Browning Medalist. However, reports of fractured slides are causing some concern. The gun parts feel dainty in comparison to less refined designs.

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Thu May 27, 2010 12:01 pm

Fractured slides? On a 208? That would be a completely new one. Only problems I've heard of are with the SP20. Can't kîll a 208 with standard ammo.

zeleny · Post by **zeleny** » Sun May 30, 2010 3:44 pm

Tycho wrote:Can't kîll a 208 with standard ammo.

What's the excuse for making any pistol chambered for 22 l.r. too fragile for high velocity ammo?

Is the 212 no stronger than the 208 in this regard?

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Mon May 31, 2010 10:36 am

The 212 has the same slide as the 208 and the 215. Why build a target pistol for high velocity ammo? Nobody in his right mind would use it, as it's less precise, costs more and damages the equipment - ?

zeleny · Post by **zeleny** » Mon May 31, 2010 2:42 pm

Tycho wrote:Why build a target pistol for high velocity ammo?

Because it is sold as a Jägerschaftspistole.

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Mon May 31, 2010 8:14 pm

zeleny wrote:
Tycho wrote:Why build a target pistol for high velocity ammo?
Because it is sold as a Jägerschaftspistole.

my manual states 'please do not use any high velocity ammunition as your accurate target pistol might suffer damage'

zeleny · Post by **zeleny** » Mon May 31, 2010 8:26 pm

Spencer wrote:my manual states 'please do not use any high velocity ammunition as your accurate target pistol might suffer damage'

Does your manual cover the 212 model? It seems strange to make a hunting pistol that cannot digest high velocity ammunition.

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Mon May 31, 2010 11:52 pm

made the mistake of ASSUMING that a 212 was part of the H208-215 series - it isn't. From the pics I have found, the 212 seems different in most respects.
Unfortunately, Walther does not list a manual for the 212 (type in 'hammerli' at http://www.carl-walther.de/index.php?co ... &do=search)

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 12:41 am

Now that is some new info there. In what respects are there major differences between the 208 and the 212? Please enlighten me. The 212 was built as "Jägerschaftspistole", right, which is a very much academic shooting match of one of those german shooting associations. That is why the sights are simpler and the grip is not anatomic. Basic design and all relevant parts are pretty much the same as in the 208.

Spencer · Post by **Spencer** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 1:54 am

similar, but?
the trigger mechanism looks of interest
http://www.knappworst.com/popup_image.p ... cb794c4e9e

zeleny · Post by **zeleny** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:00 am

Tycho wrote:Basic design and all relevant parts are pretty much the same as in the 208.

Is the recoil spring identical to that of the 208?

zeleny · Post by **zeleny** » Tue Jun 01, 2010 2:01 am

Spencer wrote:the trigger mechanism looks of interest

That is a safety lever.

Andyd · Post by **Andyd** » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:17 pm

While it is called Jägerschaftspistole, that does not mean that it is supposed to be used for hunting but for a special discipline of the DJV, the German hunter's orgaization. It is a timed event, 3 seconds at 25 m, drawing and shooting at the old silhouette duel target.

It was designed as a competition pistol and is still used for that in Germany, together with the Erma 85 series.

A friend of mine has over 40,000 rounds through his Hämmerli 208 and never had any mechanical problem, other that the slide stop is now worn.