K58 Vs 103

[robinhoods]

I have been going crazy looking at pistols.
I know everybody says get a good used co2 but I don't want to bother with powerlets and bulk fill.
I was leaning about 90% towards a PCP pistol but I don't have enough cash right now but I had a couple of offers on the K58. One involves me trading in my CZ 200TA air rifle with target sights. My gun is exactly like this http://www.straightshooters.com/Air%20A ... arget.html,
except mine has a steel bolt and it is the 16joule version 12 ft lb adjustable power.
would that be a good deal?
David F

[roostonu]

Looks like list on the S200T is $675 new. Used K58's go for around $500-$600. I just bought a K58 a few months ago and it's a very nice gun. I don't have experience beyond that so I don't have anything to compare it to. I have never heard anything bad about the K58 other than having to charge it before each shot. I have shot mine in a couple matches and both times my scores got better towards the end so I would say that fatigue was not an issue.

You also mention the 103 but those go for around $1000 used.

[paw080]

Hi David, My used 20 lb CO2 tank with a siphon tube cost $99. My digital
scale that increments to .10 gram cost $25. The Pcp steup with scuba tank and
K-valve adapter could cost twice as much. I get 250 shots with the velocity
turned down to low 420's fps and 225 shots with the velocity set to 565fps
with 7grn pellets.
However, if you do chose to go the SSP route, the FBW 103 will cost $1000-$1200.
While the Pardini K58 was $650(??). I suggest you try the K58, it is a far
better choice than the Izh-46M, because it has far better ergonomics(fit and balance),
and the construction quality is a quantum level above the izzy. The K58 is
not on the same level as the 103, which is more refined and is even of a
higher quality fabrication . I wish you make a choice soon, so that you can
take appropriate action and start saving for a Morini, Steyr LP10 or even
an FWB P44, or go out there, buy the K58 and start shooting now!

Tony G

[kevinweiho]

The K58 is indeed more refined than the izzy, but both are equally accurate on the range which what really matters.

A used one will cost between $250 to $325 and you'll still be able to save up for a high end pistol.

The only drawback that I can think of the IZH-46M is that you have to customize the grips to fit your hands and this can be easily accomplished with a dremel.

Are you planning to use a SSP pistol for competition or recreational shooting?


Kevin

Airgun aficionado from Costa Rica

[Berq55]

There is another really good PCP pistol : The Walther LPM-1.
Beside looking great, this pistol has the reputation of being undestructible.
I own one which is 11 years old and it is just like new. Also, many shooting club in Europe use it to train their young shooters.

[Berq55]

There is another really good PCP pistol : The Walther LPM-1.
Beside looking great, this pistol has the reputation of being undestructible.
I own one which is 11 years old and it is just like new. Also, many shooting club in Europe use it to train their young shooters.

[jipe]

The K58 is indeed more refined than the izzy, but both are equally accurate on the range which what really matters.

No, this is oversimplified: all match pistols are very accurate but do not perform at the same level on the range because balance, trigger quality, sigths quality, grip quality... have a major influence on the actual performances

No doubt that the Izzy has a very good price/performance ratio but when it comes to absolute performances, it is by far not the best pistol.

[robinhoods]

Thanks for the replies.

I don't think I will be shooting in matches but I will be using it quite a bit indoors and some occasional plinking.
The deal with the trade fell through because I saw an ad in guns america for a K58 for $399 but no pics so I started second guessing the deal and the other person got mad and does not reply so I just might relist it again. Maybe I should say I want to trade with cash for a PCP. It looks exactly like this. http://www.straightshooters.com/Air%20A ... arget.html
Even the color is exact.

except mine has a steel bolt and multishot magazine and a LCD on the end made for this rifle to make it quiet.
I will have to think about it for a couple more days before I do anything again.
David F

[roostonu]

Thanks for the replies.

I don't think I will be shooting in matches but I will be using it quite a bit indoors and some occasional plinking.
The deal with the trade fell through because I saw an ad in guns america for a K58 for $399 but no pics so I started second guessing the deal and the other person got mad and does not reply so I just might relist it again. Maybe I should say I want to trade with cash for a PCP. It looks exactly like this. http://www.straightshooters.com/Air%20A ... arget.html
Even the color is exact.

except mine has a steel bolt and multishot magazine and a LCD on the end made for this rifle to make it quiet.
I will have to think about it for a couple more days before I do anything again.
David F

No pics and low price sounds fishy. Especially concidering he was rushing you. Be careful, my friend paid $570 for his K58 from a member here a few months back and it was missing 1" of the barrel. They claimed gun was 95%. The person he bought it from did not have it long and had bought it from yet another member who's ad was almost identical with 95% claim. Pictures looked OK but nothing to compare it to. The small aluminum ring that protects the end of the barrel was not there. The end of the barrel was recessed 3/4" into the front sight holder and the end of the barrel looked funny like it was machined off, but nothing to compare. It wasn't until I bought one from a member a month later that we realized why the end of the barrel looked strange. Both previous owners claimed no knowledge and it was too late to do anything about it.

I'm not trying to scare you away from internet deals, just make sure you feel good about it. Make sure you see actual pictures and not pictures of one that looks just like it. Don't be rushed.

[crrmeyer]

Here is a review I wrote years back on the K58

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Review of the Pardini K58 match air pistol

The Pardini K58 air pistol is a single stroke pneumatic match air
pistol intended for 10 meter match shooting. The gun is imported by
Don Nygord (Prescott, AZ) and includes a nice combination locked
hard plastic case and extra front and rear sights. As of the time
of this review the air pistol sells for around $700. I had the
chance to borrow one and thought I would pass along my thoughts on
the gun.

The K58 is Pardini's sucessor to the P10 match air pistol. The P10 is
rummored to be designed by same the person who designed the AP604
match air pistol for FAS (another Italian airgun manufacturer). The
P10 is similar to the K58 in that it is a underlever cocking single
stroke pneumatic air pistol. The P10 has a flip-up port that opens
automatically when the pistol is cocked for direct access to the
rear of the barrel. The K58 has a similar flip-up port. The K58
however has a bolt that pushes the pellet into the barrel when
the flip-up port is closed. You just drop the pellet into a trough
and close the flip-up cover. I like this arrangement since it make
the pistol extreemly easy and quick to load compared to manually
stuffing a pellet into the rear of the barrel.

The K58 has an under barrel lever that pivots below the muzzle.
Opening the lever 135 degrees and closing charges the gun. Cocking
is low at the start of cocking and progressively gets heavier to
a 24 lb maxiumum right as the lever snaps home. The cocking lever
also serves as a trigger guard (similar to the FWB 10X series air
pistols).

The K58 also has a 1.5 ounce steel weight that clamps anywhere along
the exposed barrel to add muzzle weight. The weight is low profile and
does not interfere with the sight picture.

The trigger on the K58 is fuly adjustable for overtravel, first stage
length, first stage weight, trigger position, engagement weight,
and trigger position. There is no provision for dry fire capability.

The sights are adjustable with a small coin or screwdriver. At 10m
one click shifts the point of impact 1.8mm. The rear sight plate is
removable and two are included with different notch widths. The front
sight is undercut and two different witdth ones are also included.
An allen wrench set also comes with the system to aid in changing the
sights.

I like the one piece walnut grip with the adjustable palm piece. Due
to the one piece design there is plenty of wood to allow for custom
fitting to one's hand.

The one thing that amazes me on this pistol is it's consistent velocity.
Using RWS Hobby pellets (not my favorite but what I had handy at the
time) the gun shot an average of 458 feet per second (fps) with an
extreeme
spread of 2 fps over 10 shots. I unfortunately did not have time to
do realistic accuracy testing of the gun but I have little worry that
it will perform as expected.

Overall I like the gun and can recommend it as a good value alternative
tothe FWB 102 (which sells for about 50% more). The construction of the
gunis rock solid and I have a lot more faith in its durability when
compared to the Russian IZH-46 which were recently forsale at closeout
prices.
The availability of support and spare parts from Don Nygord is also an
asset. The main criticism I have of the gun is its higher than desired
cocking
force. Pardini also make the K60 which is a CO2 powered version of the
K58 that sells for the same price.

Stats:

Caliber: .177
Height: 145mm
Width: 47mm
Length: 395mm
Weight: 1070g (with barrel weight)
Barrel: 230mm long (12 groove, 450mm twist rate)
Sight radius: 325mm


Copyright (c) 1999 Charles Meyer, not to be copied or reposted without
permission

[robinhoods]

I just bought a K58 but I have to wait until it comes from california to ny. It is in excellent shape.
David F

[robinhoods]

I passed on this gun but I should have bought it.
It looks newer. look at the front near the breech on both of them.
I thought they were all the same.
David

[roostonu]

It looks like the only difference to me, is the gun in the bottom picture is missing the barrel weight. The picture on the bottom looks like it was stretched a bit when it was cropped so the front sight holder looks longer and narrower.

[Rover]

They're both old. The later models have a dry fire switch below the breech on the right flush with the frame. Same deal with a K60. It is operated by a hex wrench.

Don Nygord occasionally installed these switches in older guns.

Also, I have seen many of these guns without the sliding barrel weight. I don't know how they were originally shipped.

[robinhoods]

Well regardless this gun will carry me for awhile until I save enough to get a top of the line pcp pistol,which should be about eight weeks.
In the meantime I will have to do my homework as to what is the best gun out there. I think I will get one for target and one for plinking eventually.
David F
Good shooting to all of us and have a happy life.

[Rover]

What will you do if the scores from your PCP gun are the same or lower than those from the K58?

[robinhoods]

Good Question-Simple I will not sell the K58 and Lie about my scores.
Just joking ok.
I know for the next few months I am going to try and decide between the
Morini 162 EI,the Pardini K2 and the Steyr LP1.
One of those will be my next purchase. (I HOPE)!

[robinhoods]

Someone said the K58 was an alternative to the 102 does this mean the FWB 103 is the king in this class pistol?
I know there is a 102 for sale but have not seen a 103. Also if I had a chance to buy a 103 what would be a good price for a really nice pistol
David F

[kevinweiho]

Dave, no doubt about it, the FWB 103 is king of the hill in terms of
quality, precision and performance in a SSP.

I had purchased my 103 ten years ago directly from the factory in Germany, with all the seals and goodies for around $850.

When a used one does appear, they usually sell for $800-$1.100.

This pistol does retain its value over the years and is still shooting great!

Kevin
Airgun Aficionado from Costa Rica, C.A.

[robinhoods]

I will keep my eye open for one.
Just hope I have enough put away by the time one shows up.
David