New pistol by Khaidurov (designer of TOZ-35, AW-93)

joe1347 · Post by **joe1347** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:47 pm

David Levene wrote:
joe1347 wrote:[I'm guessing - since it's Russian - a fair assumption is that it will be inexpensive. Otherwise, why would anyone buy it?
Russian goods are no longer necessarily cheap Joe, look at Scatt.

Why would anyone buy it? Because if the quality and design are to the same standard as his other guns then they will be great pistols.

Sorry, but if the price is close to something well liked (loved) such as a Pardini SP 22 - then I suspect that few will buy the Russian gun simply because it's Russian. It may be the equal or superior to the Pardini - but it will still have that Russian low budget taint.

Tycho · Post by **Tycho** » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:28 pm

If you think so - good for the rest of us, as there won't be any delivery shortages... btw, and not to offend anybody, but what was the last top grade target pistol made in the US?

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:37 am

If I was to write a list of all of the factors influencing my decision of which gun to buy, where it was made would not appear.

RobStubbs · Post by **RobStubbs** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:53 am

joe1347 wrote: Sorry, but if the price is close to something well liked (loved) such as a Pardini SP 22 - then I suspect that few will buy the Russian gun simply because it's Russian. It may be the equal or superior to the Pardini - but it will still have that Russian low budget taint.

I too don't believe country of manufacture would even be a factor. I would buy the test tool for job wherever it comes from.

Rob.

Shooting Kiwi · Post by **Shooting Kiwi** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:56 am

Let's hope the Russians use better material than used in the IZH 35.

Who will import it into New Zealand? There is a number of folk here who would love a new IZH: I'd guess they'd settle for one of these, however.

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:02 pm

For shooters, who want to learn to shot now (or even - yesterday) - the easiest way is to begin to save now... 100usd/month. After 24 months you had 2400... Exactly enough Feinwerkbau or Pardini... while SP08 will not be ready...

I would buy it... even for 1600 euro. But i am realist... and time goes. It is only possible, if licenced production will be realised... somewhere out of russia.

p.s.: No. It's not a "black PR"... i have TOZ35... and i am ultra happy.

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:16 pm

March 2005. Top 100 best pistol shooters (issf competitions) have used (sport and free pistols only... summarized):

abrakadabra · Post by **abrakadabra** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:42 pm

Demyan has modern, computerized manufacturing equipment.
The company's airguns, the main product, have good quality.

jipe · Post by **jipe** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:45 pm

ruig wrote:March 2005. Top 100 best pistol shooters (issf competitions) have used (sport and free pistols only... summarized):

Very interesting statistics.

But since it is for sport+free pistols, I guess that the TOZ-35 is a big part of the 17% of Khaidurof (same for Morini, the CM84E is probably a big part of the 24% of Morini) and here it is about a new sport pistol. Now for sport, you could add the 6% of FWB.

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:51 pm

jipe wrote: Very interesting statistics.

But since it is for sport+free pistols, I guess that the TOZ-35 is a big part of the 17% of Khaidurof (same for Morini, the CM84E is probably a big part of the 24% of Morini) and here it is about a new sport pistol. Now for sport, you could add the 6% of FWB.

Analysed:

Sport pistol: 74 shooters, Free Pistol: 85 shooters, Rapid Fire*: 41 shooters.

*Rapid Fire: 22 short!!!

Sport pistol:

Hammerli 21
Pardini 17
Feinwerkbau 12
IZH-35 8
Walther 7
Domino (FAS) 2
Dong Feng5 2
Morini 2
Benelli 1
MC-57 1
Unique 1

Free pistol:

Morini 46
TOZ-35 32
Hammerli 4
MC-55-1 2
Pardini 1

Rapid fire:

Pardini 18
Walther 10
Domino (FAS) 4
Morini 2
TOZ 1
MC-1-5 1
MC-1-3 1
IZH-34 1
KhRB-88 1
ХР-79 1
Hammerli 1

Summarized:

Morini 50
Pardini 36
Khaidurov 35
Hammerli 26
Walther 17
Feinwerkbau 12
IZH 9
Domino (FAS) 6
MC 5
Dong Feng5 2
Benelli 1
Unique 1

FredB · Post by **FredB** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:43 pm

Ruig,

Morini .22 Short?? Please tell us more.

Thanks,
FredB

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:22 pm

FredB wrote:Ruig,
Morini .22 Short?? Please tell us more.

I cannot confirm this fact... (the same TOZ rapid fire... uknown for me). But source of information was one of issf office top-worker.

I think that some pistols were so modified, that it was immposible definitely identify them.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:53 am

ruig
can you explain your symbol that saying Say No ISSF to doping?

what is it meaning? are we not part of Olympics and such control?

David Levene · Post by **David Levene** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 9:10 am

Anonymous wrote:ruig
can you explain your symbol that saying Say No ISSF to doping?

what is it meaning? are we not part of Olympics and such control?

I think you will find that it is actually an ISSF symbol "Say No To Doping". I don't think there are many sports who more actively support, promote and enforce the WADA code.

Fortitudo Dei · Post by **Fortitudo Dei** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:32 pm

ruig wrote:
IZH 9
Domino (FAS) 6
MC 5
Dong Feng5.....

Someone's shooting ISSF with a Dong Feng5?
Awesome!

ruig · Post by **ruig** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:43 pm

Fortitudo Dei wrote:
ruig wrote:
IZH 9
Domino (FAS) 6
MC 5
Dong Feng5.....
Someone's shooting ISSF with a Dong Feng5?
Awesome!

Yeah, my friend... moreover they won Olympics. DongFeng produces e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g... from heavy industry to plastic cases...

Miss Chen Ying shots pretty nice with her DF5.

patro5 · Post by **patro5** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:00 am

Ruig is the Dong Feng 5 a Chinese modified Margolin MC2, I believe they came in .22 shorts and longs.

Greg5 · Post by **Greg5** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 6:24 pm

Fortitudo Dei wrote:
ruig wrote:
IZH 9
Domino (FAS) 6
MC 5
Dong Feng5.....
Someone's shooting ISSF with a Dong Feng5?
Awesome!

The same company that can deliver multiple warheads into US cities via space from another continent can surely deliver a .22 into the ten ring from 25 meters :)

Brian James · Post by **Brian James** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:53 am

Here is a related thread I would ask you to look at.

http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=23172

Popeye · Post by **Popeye** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:48 pm

Just for comparison purposes with the SP-08 posted previously, I have uploaded an IJ35 that was obtained from Germany, and manufactured in c.2002.

The images say it all - note the new feature of a lock open slide mechanism on the right side of the frame down the magazine well.