Pardini SP .22 LR - Recommendations and Experiances Wanted

[Mike Taylor]

Sometimes on Bullseye-L, but the same complaint appears there, too.

[CR10X]

On second thought, deleted

[dam8]

Dear guest,
I thought that this forum was for shooters to share experiences and views. Also I thought that the sp new was the same as the sp that is pictured. And also I had no idea that there was a problem with frames cracking? I shoot with many shooters that use the sp both new, old and older, and never heard such a thing!.
So, personally I don't think he was wasting band width at all.

[Guest]

dam8,

if you read his post on 2April stating:
"I will take pictures of it this Saturday to show it off to everyone so stay tuned"

you would see he is only an equipment queen trying to impress us with equipment we already have. He is wasting Scott's bandwidth, which costs him money, with all these rediculous pictures. Pictures of ammo boxes and pistols that are all over the net already. Figuring out cost per round and he's not even a bullseye shooter.

Never one mention of trying to become a better marksman. Not one question about trigger control or perfecting sight alignment. I don't ever get a kick out of beating someone but I would get great satisfaction outshooting this guy with my Ruger MKII.


what's next a five color graph and 10Gb power point display!!!

stay tuned.. I think not, i'll be training.

[Lammy1000]

Easy Tiger. Some people are like me, that is, novices with less than 1 million rounds fired who enjoy hearing about all nuances from equipment to technique. Please, enough with the "wanna be high masters" elitism. By the way, what's with the "guest" ...can't you register?

[Guest]

well Lammy nice try. I've been registered for about 8 years on this board. I've posted many times before, logged in, and I will post long after this pissing match fades away.

I guess I could adopt your lifetime of mediocrity attitude instead I've tried to accel. I've not shot a million rounds either but have achieved a Distinguished pistol badge, a military championship pistol title, top 20 placement in The President's Match, several state championships, helped coach a collegiate team to top national standing with a individual event national title winner, currently focused on earning my Distinguished Rifle badge. I understand you will minimize any achievements by calling them elitest. I submit to you that working hard at something and having the right mental attitude is not elitest.

The point of my comments is that because the original poster was referred here by another board, not a competitive shooting board, he is not a competitive shooter. He got advice but ignored it because he really just wanted us to pat him on the back for choosing a great pistol. Now he's back showing bandwidth gobbling pictures. He doesn't need to show us pictures, showing off, his pistol.

The whole point of this board and sharing information about techniques and training is that it's not about the pistol, it's about getting out there and training. Using proper training techniques, some from this board, is why I can outshoot the wannbee's with my MkII. I have a Pardini and recommend them but for a newbie asking advice I always default recommend them to a cheaper pistol to see if they will commit to the sport which is more about range time and work. He wanted a Pardini, fine, he doesn't need to show us pictures. We have them already. He obviously only wants attention because he has a Pardini.
You will probably go on and on about coddling the newbie and about how he MIGHT become a shooter if not for my insensitive comments. If you can't read between the lines of his posts and see he is not willing to step up to the challenge of bullseye shooting it's only because you have the same mentality and not willing to do the hard work either.


the amount of bandwidth used in this rebuttal is far less than even one picture.

Lammy, for calling me a wannabe, I have one thing to say to you. GET STUFFED.

[Mike Taylor]

I did find the photos of the SPnew useful.
The owner described an issue with the fit of magazines. Comparing his photos with those of another SPnew being offered for sale, I can see that there has been two (at least) different frames produced for the SPnew. So, just looking at an SPnew can give an indication whether or not there might be an issue with the fit of any new magazines.
Further, the information that some SPnew frames (the 'earlier design frames?) might be subject to cracking is valuable to know when purchasing a used SPnew.
Seems some SPnew pistols are 'newer' than others.

[Lammy1000]

well Lammy nice try. I've been registered for about 8 years on this board. I've posted many times before, logged in, and I will post long after this pissing match fades away.

I guess I could adopt your lifetime of mediocrity attitude instead I've tried to accel. I've not shot a million rounds either but have achieved a Distinguished pistol badge, a military championship pistol title, top 20 placement in The President's Match, several state championships, helped coach a collegiate team to top national standing with a individual event national title winner, currently focused on earning my Distinguished Rifle badge. I understand you will minimize any achievements by calling them elitest. I submit to you that working hard at something and having the right mental attitude is not elitest.

The point of my comments is that because the original poster was referred here by another board, not a competitive shooting board, he is not a competitive shooter. He got advice but ignored it because he really just wanted us to pat him on the back for choosing a great pistol. Now he's back showing bandwidth gobbling pictures. He doesn't need to show us pictures, showing off, his pistol.

The whole point of this board and sharing information about techniques and training is that it's not about the pistol, it's about getting out there and training. Using proper training techniques, some from this board, is why I can outshoot the wannbee's with my MkII. I have a Pardini and recommend them but for a newbie asking advice I always default recommend them to a cheaper pistol to see if they will commit to the sport which is more about range time and work. He wanted a Pardini, fine, he doesn't need to show us pictures. We have them already. He obviously only wants attention because he has a Pardini.
You will probably go on and on about coddling the newbie and about how he MIGHT become a shooter if not for my insensitive comments. If you can't read between the lines of his posts and see he is not willing to step up to the challenge of bullseye shooting it's only because you have the same mentality and not willing to do the hard work either.


the amount of bandwidth used in this rebuttal is far less than even one picture.

Lammy, for calling me a wannabe, I have one thing to say to you. GET STUFFED.

You sound like an angry pain in the ass wannabee...the worst kind. Perhaps with a rather small member incapable of satisfying your mate. Piss off. By the way you may be a good shot, but can you climb mountains on a mountain bike, ride a street bike very well, ski very well, ride a dirt bike very well, fly RC planes/helis blah blah blah cuz I can, ya loser.

[Lammy1000]

Thanks for the pics, Jack Frost, I also found them interesting. My Baikal will not last forever (or will it) so any data on high end bullseye pistols helps.

[Guest]

Lammy, yeah, you really got me. Your a regular Sigmund Freud. I gotta give it you though I laughed so hard I almost spilled my morning coffee. You go ahead and leave that lame ass post there for all the world to see for years to come.

I see you've been on this site for almost a whole three months, what happened the gay porn site you would pose on get shut down you obviously pre-pubescent lost little boy. Well that's o.k. you've made new friends here. I'll tell you what I'll log off here for a while. There "you win".

That should give you a great story to tell the other boys down at the bath house about how you chased off the big meanie. Hey tell them I'm short, obese, bald and sweaty just like the men you blow while saving for your very own CF pistol you whining little bitch. That's why we keep the guns expensive so little boys can't play in the big leagues. I'm not judging you, really.

Remember, don't denigrate this site with a reply, I'm logged off.

bye now...

[Lammy1000]

"Guest", please stay on topic and stop being an embarrasment to this site. The vast majority of people I have meet through shooting sports have been class acts. Welcoming and sharing advice...like most of the people on this site.

[rayg_3]

I have been following this thread with great interest as I have just been cleared by the "banking authority" in my house to purchase a Pardini. Yesterday I dropped by Larrysguns.com and there it was..JakFrost's returned Pardini. I didn't know it at the time but after coming back to here I quickly figured it out and wrote to Larry to confirm. Now if all goes right I am the new owner of probably the most scrutenized used Pardini around. Larry is going to fix the mag situation before he ships it. Thanks to JakFrost I already know that my practice ammo of choice, CCI Standard Velocity, works in that gun. I doubt if any of you will see me at a match, I am just an old expert Tuesday Night Club shooter on my way down to sharpshooter. I have shot mostly High Standards and just sold my Hamden Victor that I carried in the woods for the last 33 years to a new shooter on his way up. You should have seen his smile. Well thats my part of the story. Isn't it interesting how these things come around and go around......

[JakFrost]

I have been following this thread with great interest as I have just been cleared by the "banking authority" in my house to purchase a Pardini. Yesterday I dropped by Larrysguns.com and there it was..JakFrost's returned Pardini. I didn't know it at the time but after coming back to here I quickly figured it out and wrote to Larry to confirm. Now if all goes right I am the new owner of probably the most scrutenized used Pardini around. Larry is going to fix the mag situation before he ships it. Thanks to JakFrost I already know that my practice ammo of choice, CCI Standard Velocity, works in that gun.

That is a very interesting story of how you came across this very gun that I wrote about here. I absolutely loved it and so did my friend Charelton and everyone else at the range who've seen it and handled it.

It as a great "Space Gun" image and it attracted a lot of curious onlookers while it was being shown. Everyone was surprised at how light the gun is compared to its size.

It was a fantastic gun while I had it for those few days and I would have kept it in a heart beat if it wasn't for the magazine feeding issue and the size of the Rink XXL grip.

I think that you will enjoy it as much as I did or even more so when you get it.

I just got a call today that the brand new Pardini SP is already at my range so I'm going to go see it this week myself and I'll post new pictures of it here again.

Targets - Sight-In and Practice

You reminded me of the targets that I kept from sight-in in this gun with my friend. He did all the sighting in since he has a very good eye and the steadiest hands of anyone that I've seen shooting before. I'm sure that in time you'll see him competing in the Champion's Circle for sure.

We only had half-an-hour to spend with this pistol so we did a quick job on the sight-in and also to test it out for reliability and feeding with the CCI Standard Velocity ammo at our in-door range at 50-foot distance. Most of the shots are pretty rushed since we just wanted to see where the gun prints after adjusting the sight so we weren't going for accuracy, but more for speed and reliability. So don't base all your judgment on these targets about the accuracy of the gun but just get a sense of how it performs.

Target - Sight-In First



Target - Sight-In Adjustment



Target - Practice Offhand



Target - Practice Benchrest

[JakFrost]

I'm happy to report that I have the Pardini SP New .22 LR pistol now in my possession.



Thanks Larry

Larry of Larry's Guns came through and I received the new pistol without any problems. I'd like to thank Larry along with Amanda and Dianna, who all worked with me every step of the way on this purchase and handled all the issues and questions that came up along the way. I am very satisfied with the level and quality of service that I received from all of them.



Grip Size

I finally decided to give the grip issue a rest after having difficulties deciding on what is the proper grip size to choose (factory Large, or Rink Large or XL) and just decided to go with the factory standard Large size grip because I can always change it later to a different grip.

The quality of construction on the factory grip is great, and it is slightly better than the Rink XXL grip that I saw on the previous pistol. The lines on the grip are very square and the construction is very solid. The size of the grip across the knuckles is perfect with the bottom palm shelf only needing to be adjusted up by 2mm in the front for the pinky and 1mm in the rear, creating a slight angle upwards. The previous Rink XXL hand guard had to be moved up by at least 15mm or more to the most minimal position and even then it did not provide any support.

The only issue that I possibly foresee with this factory Large grip is that the volume of the grip is "normal" and my trigger finger extends far into the trigger guard area requiring me to bend my finger square 90-degrees causing my trigger finger to lift off the grip all the way up to the knuckle. This might require me to change the grip to a "thick" volume grip. I will use this grip for a little while to see how comfortable I feel with it before I decide to change it. Otherwise the other parameters of the grip, like the 0-degree angle, and convex form feel very good and natural.

One accessory that I might consider is the optional Anatomical Palm Shelf accessory that is contoured with a grove for the palm swell area, since the standard palm shelf is flat. My hand has a considerable palm swell muscle from weight lifting so this is something for me to consider and something that came up with the grip size discussions with Larry. However, I will have to decide this option after I figure out if the volume of the grip is proper and comfortable for my trigger finger.

I was unable to figure out and decide on what kind and size of grip that I need without having the gun with the standard factory Large grip to spend time with. Now that I tried this grip I can say that I know what I want and what I should have. There is no substitute for hands-on experience no matter how many hand traces, measurements, or scans are performed.



Magazines

I purchased another 5-round magazine for this pistol since it came with two so now I have a total of 6-magazines which is perfect for the slow, timed, and rapid-fire events without requiring me to reload in-between.

I've tested all the magazines in this SP New model and they all insert and eject properly. One of the magazines required me to remove and replace the floor plate back since it wasn't ejecting properly after locking in. After that quick adjustment it pops out of the gun like all the others.

Upon insertion the magazines lock-in through the magazine release and when the release is pressed forward, towards the magazines, they eject out by force of a spring clear out of the pistol. When this is repeated with the gun upside down the magazines still pop-up out of the gun and are easy to remove out of the frame. This is a very reliable ejection mechanism on this new model.

The older model did not do that and required the magazine release latch to be pressed forward while simultaneously gripping the front of the magazine floor plate and to remove the magazine.

I am glad that I opted for a new model instead of modifying the previous model since now I can be confident that the current and future magazines will perform flawlessly in this pistol.



New Frame

I already disassembled the gun and removed the grip to inspect it and to take pictures of it before firing it and I can say that the frame on this SP New model is different with certain parts of the frame being reinforced. The most visible location for this is underneath the gun where the slide lock button resides and the serial number if printed. The SP Old model gun has a straight body and the button protrudes out from the frame, while the SP New has a double-thickness frame there up to the button that is now recessed into the frame with a grove.

The quality of the construction on the frame is absolutely perfect and flawless with all parts outside and inside being well machined with smooth rounded faces and edges. The entire frame is covered with a very hard enamel type paint including all the internal faces of the frame. The workmanship on this pistol is of the best quality that I have ever seen, even better than my custom made and fitted Les Baer 1911 Concept pistol, S&W 686-6 6-inch revolver, and my Sig Sauer P226 Elite model.

There is some serious engineering that has gone into the creation of this pistol and it looks like it is well worth the price.



Trigger Adjustment

The trigger came unadjusted from the factory. It had a very long 3-4mm movement in the first stage (take-up), a nice and crisp break requiring only medium pressure for the second stage, but a long 1mm over-travel. This unadjusted trigger was quite sub-par from such a special target pistol and I immediately proceeded to adjust it.

The first step that I did was to move the trigger forward into the trigger guard on the trigger rail to move the trigger as far forward as possible, positioning the trigger in the middle of the guard and giving me additional length for the distance of my longer trigger finger.

Afterward, I used the CP (Sear Engagement, First Stage Length) screw to reduce and remove the first stage travel length and slack on the trigger. Then I used the TS (Rear Stop, Over-travel) screw to remove any noticeable over-travel of the trigger after the break. Then I slightly adjusted the PG (Forward Stop, Disconnector) screw to allow just enough motion for the trigger to reset and the sear to engage the hammer again after firing. I noticed that if this last screw is adjusted to remove all second stage motion of the trigger that the trigger will break correctly but it won't have enough motion forward to reset and the sear won't engage the hammer again without moving this screw a little back.

Finally, I moved the CS (Second Stage Engagement, Outer Screw) up to meet the trigger lever so that it just contacts the ball-detent of the PS (Second Stage Weight, Inner Screw) allowing me to very slightly lower the resistance of the second stage trigger break.

I did not adjust the PP (Sear Spring Weight) screw yet since I did not want to reduce the trigger pull weight before trying the pistol. I most likely will adjust this screw out to reduce the trigger pull since it is just a bit to heavy right now for my liking



Scope, Rail, and Rings

This pistol came with the scope rail installed from Larry's guns and I already have the UltraDot Match 30mm red dot scope for this pistol.

I am planning on purchasing the Leupold QRW Quick Removable Rings 30mm Low Glossy (49860) rings for this pistol that I can practice and use this pistol with the fantastic iron sights that it comes with or with the red dot scope.

A few people already expressed their interest in using the iron sights when they try out this pistol and I am also very happy with the quality of the sights on it so these rings will give me a choice of how I wish to shoot this pistol. As an added bonus since the scope will be removable I will be able to cut out a an empty corner of the foam from the factory box to store the scope in the same box that the gun comes with.



Test Firing and Sighting

I will be test firing and sighting-in this pistol this weekend on Saturday at the range so I'll post the results and targets of it then.



Adjustment Diagrams

*I found these adjustment diagrams posted on another thread and they were created by another user of this pistol but I am reposting them here as a reference to the trigger adjustments that I made.

[JakFrost]

Here are some pictures that I took of this pistol today.

The lighting on some of the pictures is not very good so I might have to reshoot them again since some of the pictures are underexposed and lack detail in the darker areas.



Pardini SP New - Front Left





Pardini SP New - Front Right





Pardini SP New - Left





Pardini SP New - Right





Pardini SP New - Top

[JakFrost]

I have some more pictures but it seems that I have reached my quota.

"Sorry, you have reached your maximum Upload Quota Limit of 3 MB"

I will host the pictures on another server and link to them here later.

[Lammy1000]

Beautiful piece of craftsmanship. Looks like the Ducati/Ferrari/Masserati/Bugatti of .22 target pistols.

[rayg_3]

That’s a might hansom pistol. I received my used (JakFrost) Pardini from Larry’s today. Also a magnificent piece of work. Got to parade it around work as we are a gun friendly shop. I’m about to leave work and head to the range. The only disappointment so far is that I didn’t get the scope mount I ordered. It is in a back order status. I was going to try it out without the scope first anyway but these old eyes don’t see very well and our indoor range isn’t lit very well. I over compensated in grip size and got a large which is a little too small. Going to have to see if Larry will trade me. He tried to get me to go bigger at the time but I underestimated my fat hand with short fingers and went for the large size. I worried too much about reaching the trigger which was always a problem with my Victor. Well off to the range—More later.

[JakFrost]

Here are some more pictures of the pistol.



Pardini SP New - Front Right





Pardini SP New - Front Left





Pardini SP New - Left





Pardini SP New - Right





Pardini SP New - Top





Pardini SP New - Under





Pardini SP New - Disassembled Left





Pardini SP New - Disassembled Right





Pardini SP New - Frame Right





Pardini SP New - Sights





Pardini SP New - Grip Right





Pardini SP New - Grip Left

[rayg_3]

Well after 2 days of shooting and 750 rounds I have proved that shooting iron sights whether with my Ruger MKII, HS Supermatic Trophy or new Pardini SP, I Suck! Can't wait until I get my backordered scope mount from Larry's.