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First, I was not "attacking" the MG2, just try to know what its new technology brings for the shooter besides the fact that its a great piece of engineering.Mark Briggs wrote:The longer-barrel pistols may or may not offer improved accuracy over the shorter-barrel pistols. BUT they DO offer a huge performance increase in another critical performance critereon. If you look at a Pardini you'll notice that it's got a TON of weight out on the muzzle. That weight is there to reduce muzzle rise on firing. The muzzle rise on firing generally tends to increase as you shorten the barrel. In this particlar area, the longer barrel on pistols like the MG-2 and AW93 offer an advantage in that one doesn't necessarily need extra muzzle weight in order to provide faster shot-to-shot recovery. I shoot my MG-2 with no additional muzzle weights and find that it has significantly faster shot-to-shot recovery than my Pardini SPE had. That's why I sold the SPE - it just wasn't right (in my hands) for the Rapid Fire event. Its current owner has more success with it than I ever had, and I'm happy for him.
Here I totally agree with you, I also like extreme rake that are not possible with a magazine in the grip like in the AW93.Mark Briggs wrote:With respect to disruptive innovations, the MG-2 loading system is a huge advantage to me because it allows me to have great flexibility in grip angle while not sacrificing barrel length (see above paragraph to understand why I don't want to sacrifice barrel length). Since I shoot best with an extreme rake angle the MG-2 is indeed a more comfortable pistol to shoot, thanks to its disruptive innovation in loading technique.
I have not noticed any change in the balance as the shots are consumed.May be one question about the magazine of the MG2: does it influence the pistol balance, i.e. does the pistol balance change when the number of bullets in the magazine changes (this is probably more an issue with the MG4 since .32 is heavier than .22LR) ?
The answer is for myself very simple: I have added two of the three additional weights. Not because of muzzle jump but because of total weight. With those two weights, the total weight is slightly lower than the one you mention and much lower than a Pardini.Mark Briggs wrote:One note - the MG-2 is actually fairly light - about 970 grams (average of my two MG-2's). I know the CM22 is lighter by a little bit. I'm curious to know how you find the lighter pistol performs in the precision stage of Standard Pistol or NRA or similar? Some folks feel the only way to get good precision scores is with a heavier standard pistol. Your observations on this would be appreciated.!
Forgetting the malfunction/reliability issues, how do you compare these two guns shooting wise ?MG2-owner wrote:As some of you probably remember, I acquired a Morini CM22RF a few weeks ago. My "reputed" MG2 has "done" time in my gun cabinet since then.
The other day I brought it along with the Morini to the indoor range, for a club session. 70 shots each gun, -not a single malfunction occured...
Thanks for the fast response. For information, I never had the need to adjust the buffer spring even using different ammon from CCI standard to soft SK and also the same Eley Pistol (yellow box, old model). Is the muzzel flip different for the two pistols ?MG2-owner wrote:Forget the reliability issues? Four years of same? Ain´t easy....:-)
I have not yet adjusted the buffer of my Morini CM22RF, it still features the factory buffer setting,
Firing both guns the same evening, I noticed the sharper (slightly unpleasant) "slap" at the rear travel of the Morinis bolt. Ammo was Eley Standard (brown tag) and Eley Pistol (yellow tag), standard velocity ammo, a bit on the mild side (relative to Federal/CCI standard vel ammo at least).
I think I could feel the softer retardation of the MG2s bolt at the rear travel. Notice: my MG2 now has the thick, large rubber buffer incorporated (importers modification), and the newer, lighter bolt (not RF bolt, just the last version, lighter standard bolt).
I will adjust the recoil buffer (buffer spring pre-tensioning) of the Morini prior to next firing.
And I will try the mild Lapua Super Club, and even some old, mild Lapua Pistol Match (blue tag), in both guns.
It is the usual "once a bad gun always a bad gun" rubbish. How long time is it since you had your MG2? A lot have happend with the MG2 since it came to market, in the last couple of years it has been as reliable as any other match pistol.Bob-Riegl wrote:As a last word from me on the MG2---I am amazed at the persistence of owners of the MG2. You guys are like monks in your patience with such a totally flawed gun from it's inception. I owned one for two weeks and Don Nygord bought it back from me based on orders from the chief in Italy. But I do watch in amazement as my Northern neighbors swing in the wind with that gun. The CM22 also was a near disaster when it first appeared---in fact it soon disappeared and Nygord was going to assemble them from parts and sell them here in the US under his name---never got off the ground. I have been through several standard pistols Italian, French, German etc. and the best I have had the pleasure to use to this day, is the Pardini SP. My hat's off to you guys with your MG2's---I am jealous as I loved every inch of that madman's engineering, but I couldn't deal with owning an "alibi gun." "Doc"
