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Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:35 am
by jblphoto
I understand from Champions that Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA for matches. So, no more Kurger’s coming into the states. Or at least that’s what I got from Champions. Who makes the best targets and where to get them? I’m looking for B-2&3 Bullseye targets and B-11 &33 Intl pistol targets.
John B. LaBusier
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:52 am
by rgibson
I have had great experiences every time buying from National Target.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:21 pm
by 6string
Did the NRA give a reason?
Personally, I find the quality of paper used in the German targets like Kruger and Edelmann to be far superior to anything being made in the USA. (Sad to say!)
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:56 pm
by Marc Orvin
I have no idea why the NRA would ban Kruger targets. But if you are looking for an equivalent high quality target to the Kruger, those targets made for Orion are top notch. I have no idea who makes them. But Champions Choice sells them.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:16 pm
by Xman
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:12 pm
by dschaller
My understanding is that Kruger did not feel the NRA licensing fee to put the NRA logo on each target was not justified with so few NRA matches.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:34 pm
by Xman
dschaller wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:12 pm
My understanding is that Kruger did not feel the NRA licensing fee to put the NRA logo on each target was not justified with so few NRA matches.
"So few NRA matches". Well whos fault is that! Once again the NRA, proverbially speaking, shoots its self in the foot.
Could be that the current NRA target licensees did not like competing with Krugers superior products and let the NRA know it. Ditch Kruger or else. Pure speculation on my part.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2021 8:01 pm
by m1963
My experience, as an NRA life member, is that the NRA of today will shoot itself in the foot if anything involves target disciplines and not politics.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:06 am
by 1813benny
The Kurger paper is superior for indoor targets, but fails miserably when used outdoors. The paper is too brittle for use in even moderate winds.
Again, not certain for the non-acceptance across the board by the NRA, but the outdoor breakage was an issue.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:33 am
by bdutton
American Target Company is very reasonable.
http://www.americantargetcompany.com/
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:52 am
by jblphoto
"So few NRA matches" Who's fault is that. Ultimately ours. There are people who like to shoot matches but as a match director of 20+ years and junior coach it sure can be hard to find help. Those that do, god love them are are a blessing. But this is a topic for another thread.
I've tried American and National. There not in the same league as Kurger. I do use Orin for air pistol matches along with there scoring system. Unfortunately they don't score and hence don't print B,2,3,11 and 33 targets which is what I need for upcoming indoor matches.
JBL
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:30 pm
by Xman
Krugers website still lists NRA as a shooting association that uses Kruger targets.
For those who did not know:
Official NRA Licensed Target Manufacturers
American Target Co
1328 S Jason St, Denver, CO 80223
Phone: (303) 733-0433 | Fax: 303-777-0311
Web: americantargetcompany.com | Email:
americtgt@aol.com
CHL Target Co.
22720 Morton Ranch Road, Suite #160, Katy, TX 77449
Web: chltargets.com | Email:
info@chltargets.com
Speedwell Division of Rockwood Corp.
410 D Clermont Terr, Union, NJ 07083
Phone: (800) 243-8274 or (908) 355-8600 | Fax: 908-355-1414
Web: speedwelltargets.com | Email:
speedwelltargets@aol.com
The National Target Co
3958-D Dartmouth Ct, Frederick, MD 21703
Phone: (301) 874-4767 or (800) 827-7060 | Fax: 301-874-4764
Web: nationaltarget.com | Email:
targetguy@netzero.net
U.S. Target Inc.
16472 Common Rd, Roseville, MI 48066
Phone: (800) 746-6836 or (586) 445-3131 | Fax: 586-445-3166
Web: ustargetonline.com | Email:
targetsource@aol.com
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:06 am
by jblphoto
Thanks for the links. I'll check them all out.
JBL
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 9:53 am
by dulcmr-man
Xman wrote: ↑Tue Oct 26, 2021 9:30 pm
Krugers website still lists NRA as a shooting association that uses Kruger targets.
For those who did not know:
Official NRA Licensed Target Manufacturers
American Target Co
1328 S Jason St, Denver, CO 80223
Phone: (303) 733-0433 | Fax: 303-777-0311
Web: americantargetcompany.com | Email:
americtgt@aol.com
CHL Target Co.
22720 Morton Ranch Road, Suite #160, Katy, TX 77449
Web: chltargets.com | Email:
info@chltargets.com
Speedwell Division of Rockwood Corp.
410 D Clermont Terr, Union, NJ 07083
Phone: (800) 243-8274 or (908) 355-8600 | Fax: 908-355-1414
Web: speedwelltargets.com | Email:
speedwelltargets@aol.com
The National Target Co
3958-D Dartmouth Ct, Frederick, MD 21703
Phone: (301) 874-4767 or (800) 827-7060 | Fax: 301-874-4764
Web: nationaltarget.com | Email:
targetguy@netzero.net
U.S. Target Inc.
16472 Common Rd, Roseville, MI 48066
Phone: (800) 746-6836 or (586) 445-3131 | Fax: 586-445-3166
Web: ustargetonline.com | Email:
targetsource@aol.com
Do targets from any of the above match the quality of Edelman or Kruger?
Dennis, aka Dulcmrman
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:00 pm
by Xman
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Do targets from any of the above match the quality of Edelman or Kruger?
Dennis, aka Dulcmrman
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From personal experience, none of the NRA licensee's "paper" targets come even close to Kruger/Edelmans. I have never had the opportunity to try the "tag" targets. Of course the "tag" targets are at a premium cost.
I doubt that the "tag" targets are equal to the Kruger/Edelman but would a be a big step up from the NRA licensees "paper" targets.
Perhaps another forum member has "tag" target experience to share.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:43 pm
by fc60
Greetings,
I reuse the Kruger targets that the Junior Club uses for 22lr matches for group testing ammo.
The bullet holes cut into the Kruger target material is far superior to the "Tagboard" material.
There is something in the paper emulsion that makes them, Kruger/Edelmann, work so well.
Now for my rumor...
The NRA cancelled Kruger's license due to not being Made in USA. An attempt to support more US jobs and businesses.
Cheers,
Dave
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:47 pm
by jblphoto
By the way, as far as i can tell Edelmann does not make pistol targets.
JBL
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2021 5:00 pm
by Xman
fc60 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:43 pm
Greetings,
The bullet holes cut into the Kruger target material is far superior to the "Tagboard" material.
There is something in the paper emulsion that makes them, Kruger/Edelmann, work so well.
The Kruger/Edelman target paper uses very little recycled paper which is very surprising given that they are made in Europe. Plus when the paper is made it is highly process mostly virgin paper so that the fibers are very short with pretty much means that the paper has no "grain" like the target papers including "tag" made in the USA. The Kruger/Edelman targets also have a quality clay additive that is included in their paper making process. USA makers preform a similar process on "tag", but the clay calendaring is not the same.
I have looked at both Kruger and US paper target paper shot holes under hi mag, and the difference is startling. I used to have polaroid's of each as the microscope had a camera system for recording. Sadly I no longer have the prints.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:49 pm
by Mike Carter
If NRA no longer recognizes Kruger targets, and a match director wants to use Kruger targets for the match, it seems the solution is use whoever targets you desire and sanction it with an organization that actually promotes competitive shooting in 2021. There are a few out there.
Re: Kurger targets are no longer accepted by the NRA
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:57 pm
by m1963
We ordered Kruger ISSF targets direct from Germany a few months back. No problems. Fast delivery. It would seem to me that USA Shooting has an opportunity to make money for the organization, here. They could sell Kruger ISSF targets, and SIUS target faces, on their web-store.