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So, it turns out, there is this "engineering dream" of "modular design" for Walther.

Gold Barrel with Gas Ports : 2827646
Compensator Cone Red/Silver : 2825589
Compensator Light / 2821656

Anyone upgraded their system before? Should I do it?
Does it help in any way?
More importantly, it changes the barrel too. How can I change the barrel?
Anyone changed their barrel?

Screws under the loading lever.

seems like no one upgrades but buys the high-end model :)

It sort of coming up 58K more.
So That is exactly what LP 500 Expert costs in India 1.60K :)
I am not sure about the absorber though.
May be it is there, I donno. Anyone knows?

emre-nur wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:13 am seems like no one upgrades but buys the high-end model :)

That's what I did. Every trim level is "expensive". You might as well just pay the full price for something you can grow into.

Fair point, I am still wondering - what extra I would be getting ... buying a Competition.
Anyone knows? Anyone shot both and saw any differences?
My location does not help me out in these cases - like at all!

nmondal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:32 pm Fair point, I am still wondering - what extra I would be getting ... buying a Competition.
Anyone knows? Anyone shot both and saw any differences?
My location does not help me out in these cases - like at all!

Less muzzle flip and recoil. That's all.

Coolmeester wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:35 am

nmondal wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:32 pm Fair point, I am still wondering - what extra I would be getting ... buying a Competition.
Anyone knows? Anyone shot both and saw any differences?
My location does not help me out in these cases - like at all!

Less muzzle flip and recoil. That's all.

Hi,
Is "Less muzzle flip and recoil" due to compensator or absorber?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_rise
This happened me today.
Here is the post.
http://targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?f=4 ... &start=120
Can be an entire disaster if you ask me.
3 of them.

That is not from recoil, and has nothing to do with the mechanics of the pistol, and whether it has an absorber/compensator or not. That is from anticipation of the shot. The shooter is either grabbing the grip as they pull the trigger, or it's possible to get a small muscle spasm in the forearm that will flip shots up in that direction.

To see if it's your grip, line up your sights the way you normally would when dry firing. Then, tighten your grip slightly and see which way the sights move. For a right handed shooter, the sights will often move up and right, exactly where the stray shots are going.

The cure in either case is to get a surprise shot. Do NOT think about firing the shot. Ideally, it should all be automatic & you shouldn't be thinking at all. However, when you are training & learning, it helps to think about an action that will result in the shot being fired. Think about smoothly and constantly increasing pressure on the trigger, or smoothly and constantly moving the trigger to the rear. Which works best is partially personal preference, and can also differ depending on the mechanics of your pistol's trigger setup.

The Morini 162 has won a very large number of medals at all levels of international competition, yet it has no absorber or compensator. Yes, physics says there will be recoil, but given the mass of the pistol relative to the pellet, it's very small. As long as your grip is consistent, the deflection will be repeatable, and can be adjusted for with the sights.

Thanks. I understand it.
In between here is an image how to change the barrel of the Pistol.

I marked the screws.

Gwhite wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:28 pm
The Morini 162 has won a very large number of medals at all levels of international competition, yet it has no absorber or compensator. Yes, physics says there will be recoil, but given the mass of the pistol relative to the pellet, it's very small. As long as your grip is consistent, the deflection will be repeatable, and can be adjusted for with the sights.

But GWhite,
https://www.euroshooting.eu/en/index.php?detail=M281
This is the compensator, no? In fact I think I ( LP 500 basic ) also have it.
Just that the I do not have barrel with gas port!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_ri ... r_lp10.jpg
I mean!

Compensators can have negative effects btw, especially the ones which expel gases in a specific direction. The pressures within the body deflect the projectile in subtle ways. These effects can become larger if material builds up. Try removing the compensator to see if the shots settle down - the group may shift; what you're looking for is total size, and absence or presence of flyers.

If the comp is dirty, soak it in light oil to loosen any deposits and brush every nook and cranny like mad.

Air pistol "compensators" are often there as much as "gas strippers" as anything else. The idea is to re-direct the escaping gas so any turbulence does affect the flight of the pellet. The very first one of these was the "Turbo Comp", and there were a lot of people who became convinced it was just a gimmick to make money & did no real good. The Steyrs have a conical device in the front to do this. The primary recoil compensation in a Steyr is a mechanical device in the bolt. I have no idea why they put holes in the top of the barrel, and the claim that they provide any reduction in muzzle rise is questionable.

My Morini 162EI has slots to the side, and they provide no recoil reduction whatsoever. I've never seen any concrete evidence that using escaping gas from an air pistol as recoil "compensation" actually does much except make money as a marketing tool.

Walther has a slow motion shot of the comp on the LP500 directing gas away from the direction of the shot (probably talcum powder in there to highlight it). Whether or not it stabilizes the shot better, the comp definitely does the thing they say it does.

So what's the final conclusion? We have divided jury?
:)

The vert dispersion is shooter induced.
You cant possibly have a gun issue randomly do that.
Recoil Absorption happens many different ways, and from a physics
perspective it doesn't matter. If you break the shot with a consistent sight picture,
you get a consistent point of impact. My P44 has a ported barrel, a comp and a recoil mass weight.
When they are tuned correctly, and the mass weight needs an adjustment every couple thousand rounds,
it just sits there and my sight picture stays perfect through the entire shot.

Oddly enough, My Walther CP2 without any of those bells and whistles shoots with very little sight picture movement,
to the point I don't notice it. Its a lovely gun by the way, and scores very well. There's more to be gained in how you
hold than the crap added to a gun.

The vert dispersion will go away when you will it to go away and focus on becoming a statue. Solid holds matter

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My Morini 162EI has slots to the side, and they provide no recoil reduction whatsoever. I've never seen any concrete evidence that using escaping gas from an air pistol as recoil "compensation" actually does much except make money as a marketing tool.
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I suspect the holes in the top of the barrel do help a bit by dropping "chamber pressures" before the pellet unports.
I can see the muzzle blast as a destabilizing force, and bleeding the pressure before trying to strip it in the comp probably helps.
But thats entirely open to debate until we actually get it measured.