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OK ... I'm not the brightest bulb in the lamp ... maybe someone can 'splain this to me.

It seems that the IOC has already approved the changes to the shooting sports program to nix (men's)50m Pistol, (men's)50m Prone & (men's) Double trap and replace with mixed gender team events of 10m Air Rifle, 10m Air Pistol & Trap.

It's happening, no way to change it, I get it. We'll all learn to live with it.

So what's this Extraordinary General Assembly (EGA)?
In the ISSF press release, it states

ISSF wrote:The International Shooting Sport Federation (ISSF) has called an Extraordinary General Assembly (EGA) on 25 June 2017 to further explain and discuss the ISSF’s proposed, innovative amendments to its Olympic Programme that will greatly enhance the future of the sport.

Why the discussion? Is this just a "bitch session" by the 25 concerned Member Federations that will be politely ignored by the ISSF or is this a meeting that will accomplish something real ... like the rules for these events?

We are essentially 1/8th of the way thru the Quad & a dim bulb wants to know.

It's so the ISSF can tick the box that says "yes, there was a process of consultation".

Oh, and so a bunch of hangers on can get a free trip to Munich with accommodation and meals thrown in!

j-team wrote:It's so the ISSF can tick the box that says "yes, there was a process of consultation".

Oh, and so a bunch of hangers on can get a free trip to Munich with accommodation and meals thrown in!

No, it's so that the ISSF can say that they complied with the requirements of their constitution and called an EGA when 25 of their members requested it.

I cannot see how anything will be achieved regarding the 3 events. That was decided by the IOC's Programme Commission on May 5th and rubber stamped by the executive last week.

To have anything else added to the agenda of the EGA will require the approval of 75% of the members present.

David Levene wrote:No, it's so that the ISSF can say that they complied with the requirements of their constitution and called an EGA when 25 of their members requested it.

That's exactly what I implied, just in different words.

David Levene wrote:

j-team wrote:It's so the ISSF can tick the box that says "yes, there was a process of consultation".

Oh, and so a bunch of hangers on can get a free trip to Munich with accommodation and meals thrown in!

No, it's so that the ISSF can say that they complied with the requirements of their constitution and called an EGA when 25 of their members requested it.

I cannot see how anything will be achieved regarding the 3 events. That was decided by the IOC's Programme Commission on May 5th and rubber stamped by the executive last week.

To have anything else added to the agenda of the EGA will require the approval of 75% of the members present.

I fear you're both right. The way things are going, I don't expect cartridge rifle or pistol events to survive past 2028. Building ranges is expensive and all of those events can be shot instead with an airgun. Shotgun will hang around longer because it's a "gentleman's sport" -- the kind of old prestige money that runs the IOC and ISSF like it. And look for target sprint to show up as a demo sport in 2024.

I have some suspicions about why Mr. Bindra may be supporting the ISSF but since they're all suppositions and this is a public forum, I'll keep them to myself.

Jason

RE: to all the above.
And I thought I was the only cynic. Having a consultation meeting after the decision has been, as said above, "rubber stamped" makes it certainly a trip that could have been done without.

It is interesting the thought process that these people go through. I told people 15-20 years ago that the shooting events in the Olympics would all be air gun someday, except for shotgun which they like. Be warned. Don in Oregon

coaching wrote:It is interesting the thought process that these people go through. I told people 15-20 years ago that the shooting events in the Olympics would all be air gun someday, except for shotgun which they like. Be warned. Don in Oregon

Well Don, I fear you are wrong ... it will be laser tag.

I would think the EGA would be to discuss axing those events completely from ISSF....if its not in the Olympics, why keep it, I suspect would be the view.

Modena wrote:I would think the EGA would be to discuss axing those events completely from ISSF....if its not in the Olympics, why keep it, I suspect would be the view.

What about Standard Pistol, Centre-Fire Pistol, 300m Rifle and Running Target? They aren't Olympic events.

Not being in the Olympics does not mean they should be axed.

In any event, dropping the events from the ISSF programme is not on the agenda.

http://www.issf-sports.org/news.ashx?newsid=2848

As predicted, a big waste of time and money. Hope they all enjoyed their hotels.

President Olegario Vázquez Raña wrote:“I call for unity. I call for friendship among all the Member Federations so we can continue working together as we have always done, as one big family.

Since we're all one big family, then how about the letting the rest of the family look at the presentations .... before decisions have been made.

Some more related info on the EGA. Seems there is a little more going on than the ISSF would have us believe.

Why is it that large member organizations almost never talk about their "dirty laundry" in public. We always seem to have and wait and find out second or third hand, if at all. And when bad news does come out the upper level brass almost always makes every effort to avoid talking about it. The NRA has a habit of doing the same thing.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/ ... -president

As well as the Tokyo 2020 changes, the row centres on a letter circulated by Rossi, claiming ISSF secretary general Franz Schreiber and fellow vice-president Gary Anderson had held secret talks with the IOC about the possible introduction of laser guns into the sport.

"secret talks"?? Why secret??? we all know that laser is the future after 2020.

The "gun makers" will be on board..more equipment to sell..year in and year out. Same as before with the rules changes and stuff.

Let the equipment race begin a new!! the gun maker are already R and D ing a way to fit a 30-60w laser assembly in "rifle" stock and also working on targets too.

Wait those are already created, just needing refinement. That or change the whole scoring system to fit the sensitivity of the targets.

PaulB wrote:Why is it that large member organizations almost never talk about their "dirty laundry" in public. We always seem to have and wait and find out second or third hand, if at all. And when bad news does come out the upper level brass almost always makes every effort to avoid talking about it.

Eventually they do. The ISSF Ethics Committee (composed of three independent jurists, weho may not exercise any other ISSF or national governance function) has found the former ISSF Vice President Luciano Rossi guilty of severe ethics breaches (allegations of corruption, kickbacks, undisclosed personal profits from sports decisions that he influenced). They have deposed him from office (technically: suspended for 3 years), and issued a three years prohibition against any participation of his in the shooting sports.
https://www.issf-sports.org/news.ashx?newsid=3051

It should be noted that three narratives for this incident exist. Only one ultimately appears credible to me, after also checking Italian sources. But it's true, it was an intrepid Italian parliamentarian who had first lifted the dirty laundry of 25 years of the "Don"'s patriarchal reign over his "famiglia", and not an internal ISSF investigator. ;-)

Alexander

Xman wrote:As well as the Tokyo 2020 changes, the row centres on a letter circulated by Rossi, claiming ISSF secretary general Franz Schreiber and fellow vice-president Gary Anderson had held secret talks with the IOC about the possible introduction of laser guns into the sport.

"secret talks"?? Why secret??? we all know that laser is the future after 2020.

The "gun makers" will be on board..more equipment to sell..year in and year out. Same as before with the rules changes and stuff.

Let the equipment race begin a new!! the gun maker are already R and D ing a way to fit a 30-60w laser assembly in "rifle" stock and also working on targets too.

Wait those are already created, just needing refinement. That or change the whole scoring system to fit the sensitivity of the targets.

Pentathlon has already gone down that route and replaced AP with laser. The precision phase has also been nixed.