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Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:36 am
by CamelNL
I have a luxury problem. I want to buy a centerfire pistol (.32). I already own a Walther SSP. I got 2 options; 1, a walther GSP with a .32 and .22 or a Match Guns MG4. Both aprox. 1500 euro in my country.
Things i wanna keep in mind: I want to keep my SSP and it will be my primary pistol to shoot with. I never hold a GSP, the MG4 instead has a nice grip (bit like the SSP)
What would you guys do?
Have a nice weekend!
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:58 am
by Trooperjake
Buy a pardini...
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:11 am
by dronning
Trooperjake wrote:Buy a pardini...
+1 you should at least consider the Pardini.
- Dave
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:46 am
by CamelNL
I considered it but the service here in The Netherlands is bad, and if i recall properly the 32 from pardini aint that good as the .22 caliber.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 4:35 pm
by Leon
Manurhin MR73 Match in .32
But if you can find one, a Toz 49.
Also consider a FAS 603. These are awesome...
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 6:55 pm
by deadeyedick
The Manurhin would be my first choice for Centrefire however if you would like two pistols to match regarding balance and grip and you will definitely continue using the Walther SSP then I would go with the MG4.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:28 pm
by conradin
Leon wrote:
But if you can find one, a Toz 49.
Where can you find one?
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:29 pm
by conradin
GSP is a known winner...why don't find one and try first before asking? It is not a hard pistol to find.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:37 pm
by conradin
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:05 am
by Leon
conradin wrote:Leon wrote:
But if you can find one, a Toz 49.
Where can you find one?
Not in the US ! I doubt that there are any there.
I had 4, including one NIB. Have sold that and have just sold another one ( today actually ).
You will have to google, keep on googling and then import one yourself. One of mine came from Switzerland, the other from the Czech Republic and the remaining two I purchased in Australia.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:57 am
by SamEEE
Leon wrote:You will have to google, keep on googling and then import one yourself. One of mine came from Switzerland, the other from the Czech Republic and the remaining two I purchased in Australia.
Do you have any pictures of that NIB Toz 49? I notice that a lot of impressive centrefire scores in Australia are shot with Revolvers.
Mostly self loaders over this side of the ditch - 50/50 split Pardini/Walther roughly
OP: It's pretty hard to go wrong with Centrefire guns. I like GSPs - they have a very upright grip is the only peculiar thing.
Avoid Unique DES-32. They crack slides and frames. I currently am shooting the probably the last one in New Zealand which isn't cracked.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:18 am
by deadeyedick
My favourite CF pistol. The Manurhin MR.32 Match.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:27 am
by Spencer
A big lump of lead is inherently more stable than a smaller lump of lead
Most target .32calibres are OK out to 25m (if the barrel twist is fast enough), but, all things being equal, .38calibre is more consistent.
This from a shooter who usually lives with the occasional flyer in .32S&W Long
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:54 am
by deadeyedick
A big lump of lead is inherently more stable than a smaller lump of lead
Most target .32calibres are OK out to 25m (if the barrel twist is fast enough), but, all things being equal, .38calibre is more consistent.
This is the science behind .32 / .38 accuracy, however after owning both calibres at the same time I was more comfortable and scored considerably higher with the .32 ....for my style at least.
This picture is of the 5/1/4" MR 73 Sport in .357/.38 spl.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:28 pm
by Leon
SamEEE wrote:Leon wrote:You will have to google, keep on googling and then import one yourself. One of mine came from Switzerland, the other from the Czech Republic and the remaining two I purchased in Australia.
Do you have any pictures of that NIB Toz 49? I notice that a lot of impressive centrefire scores in Australia are shot with Revolvers.
Mostly self loaders over this side of the ditch - 50/50 split Pardini/Walther roughly
OP: It's pretty hard to go wrong with Centrefire guns. I like GSPs - they have a very upright grip is the only peculiar thing.
Avoid Unique DES-32. They crack slides and frames. I currently am shooting the probably the last one in New Zealand which isn't cracked.
Will post a picture on the NIB Toz 49 tonight. It has actually been sold though.
"I notice that a lot of impressive centrefire scores in Australia are shot with Revolvers. " A Russian shooter set the new World Centrefire Record (594/600) with a Toz 49 at the ISSF World Championships in Munich in 2011 or 2012. I also believe that the world record in CISM ( military centrefire ) is held by a Toz 49, likewise the previous 2 world CF records.....
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:37 pm
by deadeyedick
A Russian shooter set the new World Centrefire Record (594/600) with a Toz 49 at the ISSF World Championships in Munich in 2011 or 2012. I also believe that the world record in CISM ( military centrefire ) is held by a Toz 49, likewise the previous 2 world CF records.....
Do you know the calibres of the Toz pistols that were used for the world records Leon ?
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:15 pm
by Leon
They were all in the original 7.62 Nagant Short calibre..
I personally don't see the point in having these re-chambered to .32 S&W L and am mystified by those who have done so...
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:26 pm
by deadeyedick
Thanks. Any sellers remorse regarding the NIB TOZ and secondly do you have any left ?
p.s. I'm with you regarding re chambering.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:43 pm
by Leon
No sellers remorse whatsoever.
I had 4 Toz 49s and a Toz 36 ( things got a bit out of hand ). I'm keeping 2 Toz49s and the Toz36.
Re: Opinion wanted about centerfire pistol
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:10 pm
by deadeyedick
Thanks everyone for your informative comments. From them I gather that the TOZ 36 would need a new cylinder in order to shoot .32 S&W Longs. However, I am still confused about the different original cartridges. It seems like there must be THREE different 7.62 Nagant cartridges: the original 7.62 Nagant for the 1895 (date?) Nagant revolver whose cylinder moved forward into lockup, the 7.62 Nagant Short for the TOZ 49, and the 7.62 Nagant Long for the TOZ 36? Is this correct? Do the cylinders of the TOZ 49 and 36 move forward at lockup like the old Nagant revolver's cylinder does? Are the 7.62 Nagant Short and Long cartridge bottle neck cases, like the old 7.62 Nagant? At this point, I'm mostly just curious.
These questions were asked some time back. Any help Leon ?