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Hello,

I've noticed some of the red dots have multiple reticles, circle with dot, crosshair with dot... I've been using just a plain 4mm dot but it seems the circle with dot may be easier to hold in the black.

How does it cover a 50', 25yd or 50yd bullseye?

Anyone use the circle with dot and find it's worth the extra money vs a std dot?

Thanks

No one I know of is using them, and I know a lot of high level bullseye shooters. Why do you think that a dot within a circle would be easier to hold in the black? Your hold has nothing to do with the dot.

Some dots on some guns look more stable than others. This has a lot to do with the balance of the gun and the tube length of the scope and how close the dot sight is to the barrel.
On a 22 almost any dot that can be easily adjusted works well. On the 45, most people are looking for reliability especially those that mount the dot directly on the slide of their 45.


"How does it cover a 50', 25yd or 50yd bullseye?"

That is a function of MOA. Some red dots are adjustable in size. Most that only have one size have a 4MOA dot.

Most of those fancy reticles are for sales purposes only. Makes you think you're getting something special, when in fact few if any serious shooters use anything but the dot only.
Now the size of the dot is another discussion entirely! Some swear by a tiny pinpoint, while others prefer a larger dot. Your preference.
See what works best for you.
John

Isabel1130 wrote:...Why do you think that a dot within a circle would be easier to hold in the black?

I shoot aperture sights for match rifle shooting. Seems like either a circle around the bull or a larger dot that covers a majority of the black would be more like what I'm used to.

waxman wrote:Now the size of the dot is another discussion entirely! Some swear by a tiny pinpoint, while others prefer a larger dot. Your preference.
See what works best for you.
John

I only have access to the 4 min dots I have. Wish I could try an 8 to see if I like it. Would be nice if the std models had 8 min dots in them. If the std 25mm Ultradot was 8 min, I'd buy it in a minute but to get it, you need to spend $70 more for a variable dot size model.

Just one man's opinion.

I wish there was a "red dot" scope that had a "ring" (circle) that was a bit larger in diameter than the black bull. That way, you could treat it as a true "aperature sight" hold.

I'm a smallbore rifle shooter that is just starting out in pistol-just over a year into it. I just seem to think the sight picture similar to my rifle's front sight's "ring", and "concentric circles around a black bull" (if you had a front and rear sight as on a rifle-but a red dot ring would just be one ring) would make a very effective sighting system for bullseye.

I wish UltraDot would do this. I would buy one.

The principle is the same in IHMSA shooting where what is today called "peep on peep" sights are in use and have gained followers in recent years (although Wichita sold pistols with this setup ~30 years ago).

Most people don't think aperture sights work well on pistols but they do. Even when that rear aperture is a long way from your eye, the natural tendency to want to line things up concentrically is strong. The rear sight on my unlimited pistol is over two feet from my eye. The front sight is about 15 inches past that. I just put the rear circle around the front circle around the (mostly unfocused blob of a) target. Admittedly, IHMSA shooters use far more accurate pistols from more stable shooting positions, but such setups enable them to consistently hit 3-inch targets at 200 meters.

I'm in the process of taking up conventional pistol. If I had the option of a red circle that was just slightly larger than the black bull, I'd certainly consider it.

Standard disclaimer: Above is opinion from someone who only started actively shooting again less than a year ago. It's worth just what you paid for it.

One of the problems that I see, is if you get a circle around the dot at the fifty yard line that is just outside of the black, that same circle will be well within the black at the 25 yard line, at least I believe it will be. Why not just use the rim aroud the scope as your circle and try and keep the dot centered in it?
Try this drill at the range. Flip your target over and shoot a blank piece of paper. Keep the dot centered in the scope as well as you can and pull the trigger quickly and smoothly. Then check your group size. Mine is always at least in the nine ring, with most shots in the ten ring. This tells me that my triggering is the issue, not my hold, my sights or my scope.