NEW cz200 s ? on sporter class
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409impala1
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NEW cz200 s ? on sporter class
is the new cz200 legal for 3P sporter competitions?
A quick check on the rifle specs shows that this is not a 10m competition gun as it shoots over 600 fps.
CMP is much stricter than NRA in that ONLY specified rifles may be used. NRA allows you to submit a request to use a rifle in a match.
If you chronograph the rifle and show it shoots below 600fps you may be able to use it.
CMP is much stricter than NRA in that ONLY specified rifles may be used. NRA allows you to submit a request to use a rifle in a match.
If you chronograph the rifle and show it shoots below 600fps you may be able to use it.
The S200 is legal and is specifically called out. (CMP) Any rifle that is allowed in CMP is allowed under NRA ... Not true the other way.
(Still waiting for the day all will sing Kumbaya)
With the CMP, the manufacturer has to submit the rifle to the Council and usually they have their annual meeting right after or during the 3-P JO Championships. I don't think any rifle has had less than a year approval cycle ... well maybe the 887 as it was only a stock change from the 888.
(Still waiting for the day all will sing Kumbaya)
With the CMP, the manufacturer has to submit the rifle to the Council and usually they have their annual meeting right after or during the 3-P JO Championships. I don't think any rifle has had less than a year approval cycle ... well maybe the 887 as it was only a stock change from the 888.
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409impala1
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s200?
I was told that the s200 or t200 if it beared the daisy name was grandfathered? do not know about the new CZ200 though which has no daisy markings on it. mark
The Daisy Avanti XSV-40 was/is the original name of the CZ rifle that Daisy imported under their name. Many just called it a "CZ".
It had an adjustable cheekpiece and buttpad. The buttpad must now be positioned in the "centered" position.
CZ now imports the S200 and T200 into the US via Air Arms.
There is one version of the gun that is adjustable for velocity that is meant for "hunting" and the Field target markets.
I believe that the description of the CZ200 that goes to 800 fps is a version of this FT gun, just now marketed under the CZ name.
Yes it is confusing and there have been these FT guns in sanctioned CMP matches. Were they legal ... nope, but it is very hard to tell as these all look very much the same.
From my own perspective, I really don't care as I've been pretty much told by numerous folks from rifle manufacturers to pellet manufacturers that the match pellets we use designed for the 600 fps and below power levels. Any faster than 600fps and they may not be as stable as below 600 fps. If so, anyone using a "fast" rifle may be doing themselves no good in terms of accuracy, and may end up tearing up a target backstop.
Only way to really tell is to chronograph the gun/pellet combo, but I know of no match (including ISSF world cups, etc) that chronograph the rifles during an equipment check. This would be problematic anyway, especially in our 3-P sporter world as the CO2 guns (888's & 887's) cannot be reliably tested at the muzzle. (The visible CO2 jet confuses the chronograph). Have argued to some of the sanctioning orgs that they should have a max velocity AT 10 METERS if they want to be able to enforce a velocity number. Having rules you cannot or have no way of enforcing is just dumbbbbbb
Your best advocate to gettin this gun looked at is your state JR CMP directors, the Jochums in Beatrice ... mikej10x (at) diodecom.net
It had an adjustable cheekpiece and buttpad. The buttpad must now be positioned in the "centered" position.
CZ now imports the S200 and T200 into the US via Air Arms.
There is one version of the gun that is adjustable for velocity that is meant for "hunting" and the Field target markets.
I believe that the description of the CZ200 that goes to 800 fps is a version of this FT gun, just now marketed under the CZ name.
Yes it is confusing and there have been these FT guns in sanctioned CMP matches. Were they legal ... nope, but it is very hard to tell as these all look very much the same.
From my own perspective, I really don't care as I've been pretty much told by numerous folks from rifle manufacturers to pellet manufacturers that the match pellets we use designed for the 600 fps and below power levels. Any faster than 600fps and they may not be as stable as below 600 fps. If so, anyone using a "fast" rifle may be doing themselves no good in terms of accuracy, and may end up tearing up a target backstop.
Only way to really tell is to chronograph the gun/pellet combo, but I know of no match (including ISSF world cups, etc) that chronograph the rifles during an equipment check. This would be problematic anyway, especially in our 3-P sporter world as the CO2 guns (888's & 887's) cannot be reliably tested at the muzzle. (The visible CO2 jet confuses the chronograph). Have argued to some of the sanctioning orgs that they should have a max velocity AT 10 METERS if they want to be able to enforce a velocity number. Having rules you cannot or have no way of enforcing is just dumbbbbbb
Your best advocate to gettin this gun looked at is your state JR CMP directors, the Jochums in Beatrice ... mikej10x (at) diodecom.net
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409impala1
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great info
I think that the 200 would be ok, but I found out that a 2009 can be had from crosman via their EASY program for about 457 dollars. Talked to Mike the other day, he is a great guy, as a matter of fact I am going to the certification class this fall. I am waivering between the 2009 and the cz 200 right now and don't know which to get. The 2009 has a longer sight plane, but is heavier. both are short LOP's. decisions, decisions, may have to buy one of each?