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I look for anybody who could help me with this problem, I mean how much different elements and particularly what and how many different gas contamination is spread when one bullet (CF, Sport pistol, ) is fired. I ISSF News I have found some papers on Cr and Pb, but look for gas, etc.
I would be really very grateful for any help!

Best rgds
Grzegorz

lfits@lfits.pl

. . . you could always try Wikipedia or a newspaper . . . (sorry , couldn't resist).

Actually (on both points; the specific question and the general point of "where to find good information about X") there is a straightforward adn useful answer.

Most libraries have available (at no cost to you) access to abstracting services on peer-reviewed journals covering a wide range of topics. Go to a library, and ask the reference librarian for the password/CDs that contain the service. Then it's a matter of entering keywords, and the abstracting database will search through literally millions of reputable articles (using your keywords) containing your keywords. Read the abstract, see if it's what you want, and if so, you should be able to print or download a pdf of the full article (usually at some cost to you).

I would suggest you try one of the databases dealing with physics or chemistry (natural sciences) journals. Do a keyword search on "Firearms AND combusion" or "Internal Ballistics" or some such. Be patient, nad remember that bollean keyword searches are somewhat of an "art;" your first several tries will either yield 600,00+ hits or 0 hits. You will need to refine your search to find what you want.

Also note that many journals are "practitioner" or "editorially reviewed" publications- many of them not much better than the New York Times or National Enquirer when it comes to reliability of the information.

If you absolutely, positively have to get the "true" information, go with double blind, peer reviewed journals.

Steve Swartz

So, it's of no use to actually ask anyhting on Target Talk, because what you will get are merely opinions. To get Facts, one must always go to the research library, right? Just like reading articles in magazines - not to be trusted. Even if it's Steve writing in the USA Shooting magazine.

tilly wrote:So, it's of no use to actually ask anyhting on Target Talk, because what you will get are merely opinions.

But those opinions do get industrial strength peer review ;-)

Tilly:

Absolutely correct.

Any of us on Target Talk could be 100% making stuff up.

It has happened here before . . .

Steve

(And David is spot-on. Unmoderated public forums do indeed offer "peer review" of the Nasty, Brutish, Short variety. But hey, it's light years ahead of what the New York Times uses . . . )

Steve Swartz wrote:. . . you could always try Wikipedia or a newspaper . . . (sorry , couldn't resist).

Actually (on both points; the specific question and the general point of "where to find good information about X") there is a straightforward adn useful answer.

Most libraries have available (at no cost to you) access to abstracting services on peer-reviewed journals covering a wide range of topics. Go to a library, and ask the reference librarian for the password/CDs that contain the service. Then it's a matter of entering keywords, and the abstracting database will search through literally millions of reputable articles (using your keywords) containing your keywords. Read the abstract, see if it's what you want, and if so, you should be able to print or download a pdf of the full article (usually at some cost to you).

I would suggest you try one of the databases dealing with physics or chemistry (natural sciences) journals. Do a keyword search on "Firearms AND combusion" or "Internal Ballistics" or some such. Be patient, nad remember that bollean keyword searches are somewhat of an "art;" your first several tries will either yield 600,00+ hits or 0 hits. You will need to refine your search to find what you want.

Also note that many journals are "practitioner" or "editorially reviewed" publications- many of them not much better than the New York Times or National Enquirer when it comes to reliability of the information.

If you absolutely, positively have to get the "true" information, go with double blind, peer reviewed journals.

Steve Swartz

Steve, I don't know what the library system is like in Poland or even if he is in a city that has a library. Even in the States and Canada there are small rural towns that don't have libraries. So telling someone to go look it up in the library might not be all that helpful.

Steve Swartz wrote: Unmoderated public forums do indeed offer "peer review" of the Nasty, Brutish, Short variety. But hey, it's light years ahead of what the New York Times uses . . . )

Steve,

Since this is at least the second highly negative comment you have made about the NYTimes, I feel it's fair to ask what your beef is. Is it a question of perceived bias, or one of accuracy? If accuracy, can you name a daily source of world news (any medium) that you do consider to be accurate, or at least more accurate than the NYTimes?

FredB

Tilly, Richard take it easy. I have no problem with libraries! I asked this question having hope that somebody on the Forum simply is dealing with the subject. When anybody asks me how to form a parallel beam of X-rays for example (that is "my" subject among others), I would never be able to send him to a library - I just answer as it may help. Sometimes an answer like "see Phys. Rev. Lett. 91, 197601 (2003)" is enough. That's all.

If nobody knows an answer to my question - no problem, I will find it out. I know the procedure desribed by Steve probably better than he knows it :-)

I've just promissed to my friend to ask this question on TT as I was sure that I could get a nice link to any professional info. He wants to calculate how much gases are spread during a training sesion on our stand and this is nonprofit work, so ...

Anyway, have good shooting! Without gases ;-)
Grzegorz

I apologize to all (especially Grzegorz) for kicking off and then continuing the OT "hijacking" of this thread.

(And Grzegorz- I'm not sure a terminally degreed physicist would, in general, have any stronger Mojo with boolean keyword searches in abstracting databases than a terminally degreed business administrator! Perhaps we need to have a contest, hmm?)

Steve

Steve Swartz wrote: terminally degreed

hmmm.. sounds like a fatal disease.