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how soon should someone switch to precision? i'm shooting in the 530s and in the sub-junior catagory, how long will it be befor i can go to precision

Do you have a gun that fits you, and a coach to work with you? If you do, don't be shy, start right away or when you feel ready. You can always enjoy both events - don't turn your nose up at ANY chance to shoot, no matter what kind of gun! :^)

Also important - don't think that you have to wait until you have all the fancy equipment to start precision - gun, simple glove & sling are all you need! Have fun!

Someone correct me if these statements are wrong ... I'm learning all the time too....

One thing to consider if you are keeping track of EIC points in JOs, National matches and such.

I believe that once you get EIC points in precision, you cannot gain anymore in sporter. Remember 10 of those 30 points must be in national matches.

I have a shooter that is 14 and fires precision in NRA matches, but sporter in others. The reason??? .... She is pretty much near the top of the game in sporter (550's & 560's) and I want her to use this next year to build up her points and be able to gain EIC points in the 4-H nationals next year (a sporter only event).

She is in the mid-570's - low-580's in precision, and will probably need another year to be able to sneak into the top 10-15% of the JR P-gun shooters.

I believe that if you are a sporter shooter, firing in the 530's and 540's, sure .... get fitted out for some canvas, get a rifle THAT FITS, and begin some precision training. If nothing else it will make you tons more organized on the line.

(Nothing funnier to watch than a first time P-gun shooter get down into prone without a glove ..... like the commercial .... the look on their face .... priceless)

jhmartin wrote:Someone correct me if these statements are wrong ... I'm learning all the time too....

One thing to consider if you are keeping track of EIC points in JOs, National matches and such.

I believe that once you get EIC points in precision, you cannot gain anymore in sporter. Remember 10 of those 30 points must be in national matches.

I have a shooter that is 14 and fires precision in NRA matches, but sporter in others. The reason??? .... She is pretty much near the top of the game in sporter (550's & 560's) and I want her to use this next year to build up her points and be able to gain EIC points in the 4-H nationals next year (a sporter only event).
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I'm not in the Sporter World, so I'll take your comments at face value. It's a shame if the kids can't be encouraged to switch back AND forth to shoot what they enjoy or try something they are curious about. This rule of not going "back" to sporter seems like just another way of driving a wedge between sporter and precision. Just the opposite of what we need to keep people in the Sport.

I cannot find such a statement in the EIC description document, just what I was told ....

I'll go on CMP's website forum and ask ....

Joel
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UPDATE: 7/15/2006

Just got an email from Dana Bacak of the CMP confirming this. Once you have Precision EIC points, you can no longer gain Sporter EIC points.

JM

Hi

In our club's experience, shooting precision is completely different from shooting Sporter. We have one boy, now on scholarship, that was shooting in the 530's in sporter and switched to Precision where he's shooting above 560's. He now only shoots sporter at about 490, no pants to hold you up, no ergonomic stock etc. It's NOT the same sport. In my opinion, it's not worth the trouble for the shooter to try and shoot both precision and sporter. By the way, this shooter also shoots smallbore, but then the stock is similar, and he's wearing the SAME jacket etc. He would also probably do well in Highpower, but we haven't gone there yet.

Mike
Wichita KS

Mike .... I don't disagree ... I see that there are two reasons for sporter

1) Help kids who otherwise would not become interested in, familiar with, and comfortable with shooting sports ... not just rifle, but overall in general. Hey, it's fun afterall.

2) Have a progressive step to someone who wants to move on to more "olympic" events ... precision and smallbore.

I think trggrtiger101 is more in the second group.

My personal feeling is that the trigger is the >main< reason there are lower scores in sporter ... after shooting a two stage 4oz trigger, a 1.5lb trigger it seems that it takes forever for the shot to break. (It's not the only reason ... he canvas makes a big difference I agree, but even a precision shooter with no gear will probably fire at least 10 points higher than they will firing the sporter)

While I agree they are different games, there is some good for a sporter shooter to fire a fully suited up precision game now and then ... like I said if nothing else for the organizational skill demands it puts on the shooter ... they really do have to get a routine down.

A caution here ... only if they can handle the p-gun ... the weight can turn off the smaller/younger shooters.

BTW ... the Kansas kids done good at Rapid City ...

tiggrtiger101 wrote:how soon should someone switch to precision? i'm shooting in the 530s and in the sub-junior catagory, how long will it be befor i can go to precision

As far as I'm concerned a kid can switch from sporter to precision anytime they want to.

As long as you are committed to the sport and your parents are willing to pay for any equipment the club doesn't have available to you.

There is no hard set rule on what score you need to be shooting to move from sporter to precision. I've had a few kids come in that didn't want to shoot sporter at all and just started out with precision.