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brent375hh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:27 pm If the time from sear release to pellet exiting the muzzle doesn't really matter, would anybody choose a pistol that took a half second to complete the task?

brent375hh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:27 pm If the time from sear release to pellet exiting the muzzle doesn't really matter, would anybody choose a pistol that took a half second to complete the task?

BEA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:55 pm I believe I am correct in saying that lock time is related to the speed of the trigger mechanism. This is the amount of time between activating the trigger and when the firing mechanism initiates ignition. Barrel time is different. Generally I think that too much emphasis is put on this issue of velocity. I figure the air pistol manufacturers do enough testing to know where their pistols shoot best in terms of velocity. Most cylinder powered pistols I have had usually go 125 to 150 rds if they start off fully charged. The short cylinder models may be a bit less. Perhaps these new models are different. I shoot an old Morini. As for the length of an air rifle barrel, I suspect the primary reason they are shorter is because once you get to a given length, the expanding gas runs out of energy. Once you get to this point, any additional barrel starts to slow the pellet down. Air rifles may have longer cylinders so this might change the ideal barrel length. I have never seen and air rifle with the barrel extension off, so I do not know what they actual length is. I have had several cylinder powered air pistols over the years. The velocity on all of them has been from about 480 to 525 fps. High speed pellets will go a little faster but I always preferred the standard weight. I could not tell any difference between them other than their balance and trigger characteristics.

northpaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:43 am

brent375hh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:27 pm If the time from sear release to pellet exiting the muzzle doesn't really matter, would anybody choose a pistol that took a half second to complete the task?

A good point.
The usual barrel lenght of a free pistol is 29 cm. Similar to match air rifles, a FP could have a shorter barrel, replacing the front say 8 cm of barrel for a tube. That would reduce barrel time, and turn the FP more forgiving. Cleaning lead deposits from that tube could be a shore... What about the compensator in that case? The recoil reducing effect of a compensator for a FP is marginal anyway, due to the low muzzle pressure.

brent375hh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:27 pm If the time from sear release to pellet exiting the muzzle doesn't really matter, would anybody choose a pistol that took a half second to complete the task?

Mr/Ms "W"" wrote: You might as well keep track of time using one of Salvador Dali's limp watches.

northpaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 pm

Mr/Ms "W"" wrote: You might as well keep track of time using one of Salvador Dali's limp watches.

Mr/Ms "W" is struggling to give the impression he/she is a well educated man/woman. Apparently he/she is not.
Calling upon authority of celebrities like "Salvatore Dali" (translates to Dali, the salvager) is a sign of a moron, - to me at least.
If you have faith and trust in yourself and your knowledge, you do not have to refer to ancient celebrities to acquire authority.

Does Mr/Ms "W" belong to the "Flat Earth Society"? I do not know, but wound not get much surprised if he/shw was. "Macht mir keine Sorgen":-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

But as Mr/Ms "W" apparently denies elementary physics, he/she may be a prime candidate.

To my fellow competitive pistoleros out there: Lock time, and barrel time does indeed matter. I believe you all realise that.
May someone, please, with much time to spare, - please try to convince Mr/Ms "W" of the realm of elementary physics. I have better ways to spend my spare time, - like going out to the 50 m range.:-)

Good bye, Mr/Ms. "W". Pleasant dreams. I wish you all the best for the future. At the ranges, and beyond, no pun intended.

David M wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:35 pm

brent375hh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:27 pm If the time from sear release to pellet exiting the muzzle doesn't really matter, would anybody choose a pistol that took a half second to complete the task?

I have one of those, sometimes very fast, mostly slow and other times a flash in the pan...but great Fun !
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william wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:14 pm clown!

northpaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 pm Goodbye, "W". Wish you all the best for the future. At the ranges, and beyond, no pun intended.

northpaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:31 pm

william wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:14 pm clown!

northpaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 pm Goodbye, Mr/Ms. "W". Pleasant dreams. I wish you all the best for the future. At the ranges, and beyond, no pun intended.

northpaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:31 pm

william wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:14 pm clown!

northpaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:30 pm Goodbye, "W".

Cheers,

northpaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:00 pm How lousy does it get, - Mr/Ms "W" has not answered yet. Maybe he/she is asleep? Or reading elementary booklets over the topics of elementary physics, for youngsters?

Barrel time, and lock time, are paramount measures interfering on accurate shooting. Please, do not tell Mr/MS "W" as his/her blood vessel pressure may reach alarming levels. :-)

May I say "get lost" to my pal "W"? No way. I feel well informed and slightly superior to "W" regarding physics ( excuse me for that expression: superior) to "W", so let us continue the "debate":-)

william wrote: Macbeth

william wrote: Salvatore Dalli

william wrote: idiot

northpaw wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:23 am

william wrote: Macbeth

william wrote: Salvatore Dalli

william wrote: idiot

(I´m not out of popcorn)