TargetTalk

UnGe wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:03 pm

B Lafferty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:28 pm I've tried using the lens focused on the front sight with only minimal success. It just seems to me that when focused on the front sight the target beyond is just too blurred to properly (consistently) place the front sight at sub-six for accurate shots.

Exactly my point that got a good amount of pushback here :)

B Lafferty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:28 pm I've gone back to shooting with my progressive lens glasses. My scores presently with the progressives run four to six points better per target shot than with the fixed focus lens. I do occasionally try shooting with the fixed focus lens, but my scores are consistently the same as previous times using that lens.

Interesting idea with progressive lens. Question: doesn't it force you to move your head while lowering gun to the position?

B Lafferty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:06 pm After establishing your position and grip, focus on your area of aim, where you want your sights to land. Staring at that point of aim (with the target crisp and in focus), raise your pistol. Hold your vision on the target. Do not allow your vision to ride the sights during the raise (as this leads to slower raises and many directional corrections). Again, hold your focus on the target’s point of aim, until your sights enter your plane of vision. At that stage, quickly transition your vision to your front sight. Make the final adjustments to align your sights."
https://targetshooting.ca/raising-the-p ... re-events/

bootneckbob wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:26 am Just to add my two pennies as a pistol shooter who's gone from low 500 to 555 over a few years.
The target must be out of focus
The foresight must be in focus

That's it.

Okay that's not it; but I've used an iris (along with a few other club mates) and we thought narrowing it down to get a perfect picture of the foresight and target would be best. It isn't. Groups will get bigger.

What has already been said on here is true and it's the hardest thing for me to pass on to new shooters; trust me, the blur is fine, concentrate on the foresight and alignment. The subconscious brain does the rest which does seem like magic.

Okay, I'm not a top shot but I do post my scores on here using TargetScan. I use a blinder (transparent) on my left eye, my dominance is slight and I can change it but it's a strain over time. The blinder just makes everything more relaxed for me. I have the iris on (as I bought it anyway) and it's wide open but I know its for lighting control, not for sight picture. The lens holder is empty and holds the iris. For now my eyesight seems to be okay but i haven't been tested by a shooting optician.

I went back to the lens focused on the front sight for two targets. End of the day and I'm tired, but with the exception of two fliers on the first target and one on the second, the groupings were indeed better. I'll give it a go again over the weekend. To be continued....

thirdwheel wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:36 am The suspense is going to be killing me :)

thirdwheel wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:36 am

I went back to the lens focused on the front sight for two targets. End of the day and I'm tired, but with the exception of two fliers on the first target and one on the second, the groupings were indeed better. I'll give it a go again over the weekend. To be continued....

The suspense is going to be killing me :)

thirdwheel wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:36 am

I went back to the lens focused on the front sight for two targets. End of the day and I'm tired, but with the exception of two fliers on the first target and one on the second, the groupings were indeed better. I'll give it a go again over the weekend. To be continued....

The suspense is going to be killing me :)

william wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:29 am Couldn't you eliminate all this searching / experimenting whilst improving your scores by...
...closing your eyes and letting the bullets "zen" their way to the target?

william wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:29 am Couldn't you eliminate all this searching / experimenting whilst improving your scores by...
...closing your eyes and letting the bullets "zen" their way to the target?

thirdwheel wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:33 am Think you may have found you have answered your own question as you have found if you bring your target into focus by using an iris your shots go all over the place. What you want to do is to be able to see the molecular structure of the front sight - meaning it it perfectly in focus. That will mean the target is out of focus and that is exactly what you want as it stops you being drawn to it and not focusing on the front sight, the rear sights will be out of focus slightly this is again good as it makes the front sight stand out more. This total focus on the front sight throughout the shot process including the follow through controls everything and it is what is used by your subconscious mind to deliver the shot.
By the way, astigmatism is the defect caused by a slightly miss shaped cornea and this distorts an image out of shape eg a round circle to oval, this is corrected by your optician quite easily and is separate from the correction they make for your focal distance at different distances.
You will train your non dominate eye to do the job over time using the blinder, ever seen small children with a patch over a good eye, the optician is doing exactly what you are doing forcing a weaker eye to do some work and become used to working well.
The iris for shooting is not used to bring things into focus but to adjust for different light levels at different competition venues (it can reduce shadowing around the front sight for some) or to give tunnel vision to blank out distractions and in all instances the aperture is large and not narrowed down enough to effect focus.
I can hear the next question already - if I cannot see the target how can I hit it? - "Area aim" in the area below the now black fuzzy blob, "just do it" and follow through keeping a perfect alignment of the back and front sight.

UnGe wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:30 am To add to suspense, I've ordered couple glasses with "calculated" prescriptions, left - distance for both, right - front sight and distance + 0.5, but they will come in 2-3 weeks :)