Olympian Munkhbayar Dorjsuren switches back to AW93 from SSP

[TB]

LP-2. She just kept the LP-10E grip. Everything else is LP-2.

Well, then it is a LP2 with an absorber on it also called LP10. You can clearly se the holes for mounting of the catch lever for the absorber.

[Tycho]

Clearly LP10E. The bolt of the LP2 is completely different http://host17.ssl-net.net/steyr-sportwa ... /LP2_g.jpg.

[Richard H]

It might be the LP 10 barrel too, that's what they look like when you take the shroud off. Then you just purchase a LP muzzle comp and front sight holder. It also from close ups looks like the electronic trigger too.

[gn303]

Has anyone an idea of what the tape (just under the lever) is hiding in the mail posted by scerir (Close up)?

[David Levene]

Has anyone an idea of what the tape (just under the lever) is hiding in the mail posted by scerir (Close up)?

I would guess, and it is just that, that it was to cover up a manufacturer's mark that didn't comply with IOC rule 50 (and its bye-laws).

For guns, "One identification of the manufacturer per equipment item will be permitted, not greater than 10% of the surface area of the item, to a maximum size of 60cm2."

[Richard H]

Yes it's covering Steyr's logo, as per the rules that limit theses things and limit why any manufactures would want to sink any money into the sport too.

[gn303]

David and Richard. Both of you are correct. I found other pictures on the net and when zooming in it was clear that it was the extra Steyr's logo that was taped out, presumably to comply with ISSF rules as you suggested.

[Tzed250]

Looks like she is back to Walther. Pic from the Munich WCF. Obviously her old grips with a 2013 production pistol.

http://www.targettalk.org/files/image_197.jpg

[Brian James]

Based on the photo posted by Tzed250, her front and rear sights appear to be dark red in color - interesting.

Brian

[Ulrich Eichstädt]

Yes, "Munkhy" has again switched back to Walther, both air pistol (LP 400 Aluminum) and SSP. With the SSP she became german champion in 2013, with air pistol 4th (due to minus 2 points for arriving 2 min too late in the final preperation area, difference to the 1st place was 1.8 points).

At the European Championships in Osiek in summer she ranked 2nd in sportpistol, and 3rd with air pistol at the World Cup in Munich.

[conradin]

You can get a points penalty for arriving late for the sighting period?!

[Ulrich Eichstädt]

Obviously. You had to be in the preparation area for the German Championships at least 20 minutes before the final begins, in ISSF competitions it is 30 minutes earlier:

http://www.issf-sports.org/documents/ru ... st-ENG.pdf
see here page 271,
Rule 6.17.1.3
Athletes must report to the Preparation Area for Finals at least 30
minutes before the Start Time. A two (2) point/hit penalty will be
deducted from the score of the first MATCH shot/series if the
athlete does not report on time.

Which itself is also confusing, because you have to know (many visitors don't) that the final begins with the first competition shot, not with the preparation, the sighters or the presentation of the athletes to the public (which all is before). So if a final is scheduled at 3 p.m., you better be there 40 minutes earlier as participant and approx 30 min or more as visitor (to get one of the limited seats...)

Aaaand to make it more difficult:
NOTE: Timings given in these rules are provied as guidelines.
For exact timings, check the document “Commands and
Announcements for Finals” that is available from ISSF
Headquarters.

So better use a tent and camp in front of the final-hall to be right on time...

[RobStubbs]

Obviously. You had to be in the preparation area for the German Championships at least 20 minutes before the final begins, in ISSF competitions it is 30 minutes earlier:

http://www.issf-sports.org/documents/ru ... st-ENG.pdf
see here page 271,
Rule 6.17.1.3
Athletes must report to the Preparation Area for Finals at least 30
minutes before the Start Time. A two (2) point/hit penalty will be
deducted from the score of the first MATCH shot/series if the
athlete does not report on time.

Which itself is also confusing, because you have to know (many visitors don't) that the final begins with the first competition shot, not with the preparation, the sighters or the presentation of the athletes to the public (which all is before). So if a final is scheduled at 3 p.m., you better be there 40 minutes earlier as participant and approx 30 min or more as visitor (to get one of the limited seats...)

Aaaand to make it more difficult:
NOTE: Timings given in these rules are provied as guidelines.
For exact timings, check the document “Commands and
Announcements for Finals” that is available from ISSF
Headquarters.

So better use a tent and camp in front of the final-hall to be right on time...

To be fair, range staff and Juries are normally very good at clearly spelling out exactly where athletes need to report to and at what time for the finals. Equally this is also normally covered in the technical briefings, so it up to the team management to make sure the athletes are properly informed and turn up.

Rob.

[Ulrich Eichstädt]

It was of course Munkhys fault, no doubt about that. That she would have been german champion without the 2 point-penalty was also a good reminder for her for the future to be at preparation area in time, she told me.

[conradin]

I do understand however, that arriving late, could be a distracting factor to others. While others are already firing their sighting shots, you are still adjusting your pistol, examining your pellets, setting up your table...
Perhaps instead of deducting points, late comers simply lost their right of having a sighting period.

[RobStubbs]

I do understand however, that arriving late, could be a distracting factor to others. While others are already firing their sighting shots, you are still adjusting your pistol, examining your pellets, setting up your table...
Perhaps instead of deducting points, late comers simply lost their right of having a sighting period.

This is well before the start of any sighters etc. For finals athletes have to report 30 minutes beforehand.

Rob.

[David Levene]

Perhaps instead of deducting points, late comers simply lost their right of having a sighting period.

No way.

The reporting time is there for a purpose. There are formalities that need to be completed before the final.

[Ulrich Eichstädt]

Conradin, this is no town- or club championship, it's a world cup. Could you imagine, that a soccer player (or the referee) arrives late and joins the game 15 minutes after the start?

Unfortunately most of the TV clips of finals show only the competition shots. But in most of the ISSF finals they have showed the nearly complete "ceremony" (which is sometimes boring, so they use the time to interview somebody).

The rough description of a final in air pistol/free pistol is:

- 20 min before the final starts the finalists walk into the range and place their equipment at their fireplaces, and leave the final area again, until...

- dramatic music, while the finalists walk back to their fireplaces (normally "Hells Bells" from AC/DC... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etAIpkdhU9Q )

- some minutes preparation time and sighting shots, while the moderator presents each shooter, starting from place 8 to 1.

- end of preparation, all finalists (exept 3-P rifle) turn to face the public (and the TV cameras...)

- they return and have again a short time for last sighters.

- then follows the announcement for the first competition shot-series (i.e. three-shot-groups)
(for details see rule 6.17 as mentioned in my post above)

So, no place for "late arrivals"...

[rmca]

6.17 FINALS IN OLYMPIC RIFLE AND PISTOL EVENTS

6.17.1 General Finals Competition Procedures.

6.17.1.1 Qualification for Finals. The full program (Rule 3.3.2) must be
fired in each Olympic Event as a Qualification for Finals. The eight
(8) highest-ranking athletes in the Qualification advance to the
Finals, except in 25m Rapid Fire Pistol Men, the six (6) highestranking
athletes advance.

6.17.1.2 Start Positions and Bib Numbers. Starting positions in Finals
are assigned according to the athletes’ Qualification ranking and
new Bib Numbers (1-8 or 1-6) are issued. The firing points should
be labelled A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H. The reseve targets should be
labelled R1 and R2.

6.17.1.3 Reporting and Start Time. The Start Time for Finals is when the
CRO begins the commands for the first MATCH shot/series.
Athletes must report to the Preparation Area for Finals at least 30
minutes before the Start Time. A two (2) point/hit penalty will be
deducted from the score of the first MATCH shot/series if the
athlete does not report on time. Athletes must report with their
equipment including sufficient ammunition to complete a Finals,
competition clothing and a national team uniform that is
appropriate for wear in the awards ceremony. The Jury must
confirm that all finalists are present and that their names and
nations are correctly recorded in the results system and on the
scoreboards. Juries must complete equipment checks during the
reporting period as soon as possible after the athlete reports.

6.17.1.4 Late Arrival. Any finalist who does not report to the Preparation
Area within 10 min. after the Reporting Time may not start and will
be recorded as the first eliminated athlete and shown as DNS. If a
finalist does not report, the first elimination will begin with the
seventh place, or fifth place for a 25m Rapid Fire Pistol Men
Finals.

6.17.1.5 Scoring. Qualification scores entitle an athlete to a place in the
Finals, but do not carry forward. Finals scoring starts from zero (0)
in accordance with these rules. A deduction or penalty must be
applied to the score of the MATCH shot/series where the violation
occurred. No score below zero (0) will be recorded (e.g. 3-1 point
deduction = 2, 0-1 point deduction = 0).

6.17.1.6 Malfunctions, 10m and 50m Finals. If an athlete has an
ALLOWABLE MALFUNCTION (Rule 6.13.2) during a single shot,
a maximum of one (1) min. will be given to repair the malfunction
or replace the gun, after which the athlete will be directed to refire
the shot. If an athlete claims an ALLOWABLE MALFUNCTION in
a 3-shot or 5-shot series and the malfunction can be repaired or
the gun replaced within one (1) min., any shots fired in that series
will be counted and the athlete will be permitted to continue the
series with additional time equal to the time required to repair the
malfunction, but not exceeding one (1) min.

6.17.1.7 Score Protests. Score protests regarding the value or number of
shots are not permitted in Finals.

6.17.1.8 EST Complaints. If an athlete complains that his target failed to
register a shot during sighting shots, the athlete will be directed to
fire another shot at that target. If that shot registers, the Finals will
continue. If that shot does not register or if there is a complaint
regarding the failure of a paper/rubber strip to advance, the CRO
must command “STOP…UNLOAD” for all finalists and the athlete
with the malfuntioning target must be moved to a spare target or
the malfunctioning target must be repaired or replaced. As soon
as that athlete has a functioning target, the CRO will give all
finalists two (2) minutes preparation time and then restart the
Preparation and Sighting Time for that Finals. After commands for
the first MATCH shot/series start, no further complaints regarding
malfunctioning targets may be made. If there is a complaint
concerning an unexpected zero (0), the Competition Jury must
determine the proper actions to take.

6.17.1.9 Finals Range Equipment. Finals Ranges must be equiped with
an LCD scoreboard system, a count-down clock visible to finalists
and a speaker system. Chairs must be provided for Jury Members
on duty, Range Officers, coaches and eliminated athletes.

6.17.1.10 Finals Officials. The conduct and supervision of Finals shall be
done by the following personnel:
· CRO. An experienced Chief Range Officer with an ISSF A or
B license must conduct Finals.
· Competition Jury. The Competition Jury shall supervise the
conduct of Finals. The Jury Chairman must designate
himself or one Jury Member as the Jury Member-in-Charge.
· Classification Jury. One member of the Classification Jury
must be present to oversee the Finals results process.
· Finals Protest Jury. One member of the Jury of Appeal, the
Jury Member-in-Charge and one other member of the
Competition Jury, as designated by the Technical Delegate
and Jury Chairman, shall decide protests if any are made
during Finals; no appeals are permitted..
· Range Officer (RO). One experienced Range Officer will
assist the CRO by checking guns for safety and handling any
malfunction claims during Finals.
· Technical Officer(s). The Official Results Provider appoints
the Technical Officer(s) to prepare and operate the ESTs and
the graphic display of results and to consult with the Juries
regarding any technical problems.
· Announcer. An official designated by the ISSF or
Organizing Committee shall work with the CRO and be
responsible for introducing Finalists, announcing scores and
providing information to spectators.

6.17.1.11 Presentation of Finalists. After the Sighting Period or Series, all
finalists must place their guns down and turn to face the audience,
except that in Rifle 3 Positions Finals, finalists may remain in
position. The Announcer will introduce finalists by giving the
name, nation and brief information about each Finalist. The
Announcer will also introduce the CRO and Jury Member-in-
Charge.

6.17.1.12 Finals Procedures and Rules. ISSF General Technical Rules or
Technical Rules for each event must apply in all cases not
covered by this Rule (6.17).

6.17.1.13 Presentation of Medalists. After the CRO declares “RESULTS
ARE FINAL”, the Announcer must immediately recognize the
medal winners by announcing:
“THE GOLD MEDAL WINNER, WITH A TOTAL SCORE OF
(SCORE), FROM (NATION), IS (NAME)”
“THE SILVER MEDAL WINNER, WITH A TOTAL SCORE OF
(SCORE), FROM (NATION), IS (NAME)”
“THE BRONZE MEDAL WINNER, WITH A TOTAL SCORE OF
(SCORE), FROM (NATION), IS (NAME)”

[rmca]

AND...

FINALS – 10M AIR RIFLE AND AIR PISTOL MEN AND
WOMEN, 50M PISTOL MEN, 50M RIFLE PRONE MEN
FINALS FORMAT

The Finals consists of two (2) series of three (3) MATCH
shots each fired in a time of 150 sec. per series or 100 sec.
per series for 50m Rifle Prone (3 + 3 shots). This is followed
by fourteen (14) single MATCH shots each fired on
command in a time of 50 sec. or 30 sec. for 50m Rifle Prone.
Eliminations of the lowest scoring finalists begin after the
eighth shot and continue after every two shots until the gold
and silver medals are decided. There are a total of twenty
(20) Finals shots.
TARGETS
Ten (10) ESTs must be used. The first and tenth targets are
designated as spare targets (A and B). The other eight (8)
targets are designated as firing points one (1) through eight
(8). One finalist is assigned to each target according to
Qualification rankings, starting from the left.

SCORING
Scoring in Finals is done with tenth-ring (decimal) scoring for
the respective target. Cumulative total scores in Finals
determine final rankings, with ties broken according to shootoff
scores.
Deductions for violations occurring before the first MATCH
shot will be applied to the score of the first MATCH shot.
Deductions for other penalties will be applied to the score of
the shot where the violation occurred.

EQUIPMENT SETUP
TIME
20:00 min before
Athletes or athletes’ coaches must be allowed to place guns
and equipment on the firing points not less than 20 min.
before the Start Time. Gun cases and equipment containers
must not be left on the FOP.

RIFLE
WARM-UP PERIOD
18:00 min before
The CRO will call athletes to the firing line eighteen (18)
minutes before the start time by commanding “ATHLETES
TO THE LINE”.
After two (2) min., the CRO will start a combined Preparation
and Sighting Time by commanding “EIGHT MINUTES
PREPARATION AND SIGHTING TIME…START.” During
this time, finalists may fire unlimited sighting shots.
At 30 sec. before the end of the Preparation and Sighting
Time, the CRO will command “30 SECONDS.”
After eight (8) minutes, the CRO will command
“STOP…UNLOAD.”
No score announcements are made during sighting shots.
After the commands STOP…UNLOAD, Finalists must
unload their rifles, insert safety flags, lay them down or place
them on the bench and turn to face spectators for the
presentation. A Range Officer must verify that gun actions
are open with safety flags inserted.

PISTOL
WARM-UP PERIOD
131:00 min before
The CRO will call athletes to the firing line thirteen (13)
minutes before the start time by commanding “ATHLETES
TO THE LINE”.
After two (2) min., the CRO will start a combined Preparation
and Sighting Time by commanding “FIVE MINUTES
PREPARATION AND SIGHTING TIME…START.” During
this time, finalists may fire unlimited sighting shots.
At 30 sec. before the end of the Preparation and Sighting
Time, the CRO will command “30 SECONDS.”
After five (5) minutes, the CRO will command
“STOP…UNLOAD.”
No score announcements are made during sighting shots.
After the command “STOP…UNLOAD,” finalists must
unload their pistols, insert safety flags and place them on the
bench and turn to face spectators for the presentation. A
Range Officer must verify that gun actions are open with
safety flags inserted.

PRESENTATION OF
FINALISTS
5:00 min. before
After finalists’ guns are checked, the Announcer will
introduce the athletes, CRO and Jury Member-in-Charge
according to Rule 6.17.1.11.

FINAL
SIGHTING
TIME
(RIFLE ONLY)
Immediately after the presentation, the CRO will command
“TAKE YOUR POSITIONS.“ After 30 sec., the CRO will
command “FINAL SIGHTING TIME…START.”
At 30 sec. before the end of the sighting time, the CRO will
command “30 SECONDS.”
After two (2) min., the CRO will command “STOP.” The
Technical Officer must clear the targets for competition firing
at this time.

FINAL
PREPARATION
TIME
(PISTOL ONLY)
Immediately after the presentation, the CRO will command
“TAKE YOUR POSITIONS.”
The targets and scoreboard must be cleared for MATCH
shots.

After 60 sec., the CRO will begin commands for the first
MATCH series.
1st COMPETITION
STAGE
2 X 3 Shots
Time limit: 150 sec.
for each series
The CRO will command “FOR THE FIRST COMPETITION
SERIES…LOAD.” After 5 sec., the CRO will command
“START.”
Finalists have 150 sec. to fire three (3) shots. A countdown
clock displaying the time remaining in seconds should be
shown on the finalists’ target monitors. If a countdown clock
is not visible to each finalist on his firing point, the CRO must
announce “TEN” and “FIVE” to indicate the time remaining in
each series.
At 150 sec. (100 sec. for prone) or after all finalists have
fired three shots, the CRO will command “STOP.”

Competition firing
starts at 0:00 min.
Immediately after the command “STOP,” the Announcer will
give 15-20 sec. of comments on the current ranking of the
athletes and notable scores. Individual shot scores are not
announced.
Immediately after the Announcer finishes, the CRO will
command “FOR THE NEXT COMPETITION SERIES,
LOAD.“
After 5 sec., the CRO will command “START.”
At 150 sec. (100 sec. for prone), or after all finalists have
fired three shots, the CRO will command “STOP.” The
Announcer will again comment on the athletes and their
scores and explain that single shots will begin and that after
each second shot, the lowest ranking finalist will be
eliminated.
2nd COMPETITION
STAGE
SINGLE SHOTS
14 x 1 Shot
Time limit: 50 sec.
(30 for prone) for
each shot
Immediately after the Announcer finishes, the CRO will
command “FOR THE NEXT COMPETITION SHOT, LOAD.”
After 5 sec., the CRO will command “START.”
Finalists have 50 sec. (30 sec. for prone) to fire each shot.
At 50 sec. (30 sec. for prone), the CRO will command
“STOP” and the Announcer will give comments about the
Finalists and their scores.
Immediately after the Announcer finishes, the CRO will
command “FOR THE NEXT COMPETITION SHOT, LOAD.”
After 5 sec., the CRO will command “START.”
This sequence will continue until 20 total shots, including 14
single shots, are fired. At the end of the 20th shot, the CRO
will command “STOP…UNLOAD.” A Range Officer must
verify that gun actions are open with safety flags inserted.
ELIMINATIONS
After all Finalists have fired eight (8) shots, the lowest
ranking athlete is eliminated (8th place). The lowest ranked
finalists will continue to be eliminated as follows:
After 10 shots – 7th place
After 12 shots – 6th place
After 14 shots – 5th place
After 16 shots – 4th place
After 18 shots – 3rd place (bronze medal winner is decided)
After 20 shots – 2nd and 1st places (silver and gold medal
winners are decided)
When a finalist is eliminated, he must unload his rifle or
pistol, insert a safety flag, lay it down and step back from the
firing point. A Range Officer must verify that the gun is safe.

TIE-BREAKING
If there is a tie for the lowest ranking athlete to be eliminated,
the tied athletes will fire additional tie-breaking single shots
until the tie is broken.
For the tie-breaking shot, the CRO will immediately
announce the family names of the tied athletes and
command them to fire the tie-breaking shots with the normal
firing procedure. The Announcer will make no comments
until the tie is broken.

FINALS
COMPLETION
After the two (2) remaining finalists fire their 20th shots, and if
there are no ties and no protests, the CRO will declare
“RESULTS ARE FINAL.”
The Announcer will immediately recognize the gold, silver
and bronze medal winners (Rule 6.17.1.13).

Hope this helps